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Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by coffeebeqn »

maeil wrote: post #20

> If, however, the French are simply saying that Durov’s failure to police his users or respond promptly to French document requests is the crime (which I suspect is the case), then this represents a dramatic escalation in the online censorship wars. What it means is that European states are going to try to extraterritorially dictate to foreign companies what content those companies can and cannot host on foreign-bas…

In the last few years most of the drug supply has moved from tor to telegram in large parts of Europe for example

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Post by mytailorisrich »

jcranmer wrote: post #17

The fundamental problem we have right know is that we know the charges, but not the factual allegations that underlie those charges. Put differently, if you wanted to put together a charge list for the head of a large social media company you didn't like, this is what it would look like. If you wanted to put together a charge list for someone actively running the group chat of a terrorist group... this is what it wou…

The thing is that French law for criminal procedure says that it is secret. So in principle judges and prosecutors don't have to publicly say anything and in fact should not say anything apart from discussing with Durov and his lawyers.

That said, for high profile cases they tend to give some information to control rumors and the media.

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Post by akira2501 »

sofixa wrote: post #36
cja wrote: post #27

Why are so many people taking this at face value? There's a war going on and the man in charge of the communications system for one side flew to try to meet his leader and then flew to an enemy country where there was a warrant for his arrest. I'm not saying the French aren't serious about the charges they've published but they're hardly the main point. There's plenty in the media about the use of Telegram by the the…

I see this argument a lot, but it falls apart when you realise Ukraine also extensively uses Telegram. Maybe not for official state business (Zelenskyy chatting with his intelligence chief), but many times officials communicate with civilians via Telegram channels.

He could be selling one side out against the other.

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Post by malinens »

cja wrote: post #27

Why are so many people taking this at face value? There's a war going on and the man in charge of the communications system for one side flew to try to meet his leader and then flew to an enemy country where there was a warrant for his arrest. I'm not saying the French aren't serious about the charges they've published but they're hardly the main point. There's plenty in the media about the use of Telegram by the the…

That's just wrong. Telegram is trusted by both Ukraine and Russia. That tells a lot. Also I am living near Russian border and remember well how Durov left Russia and I am quite sure he is not puppet of Putin...

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Post by konart »

cja wrote: post #27

Why are so many people taking this at face value? There's a war going on and the man in charge of the communications system for one side flew to try to meet his leader and then flew to an enemy country where there was a warrant for his arrest. I'm not saying the French aren't serious about the charges they've published but they're hardly the main point. There's plenty in the media about the use of Telegram by the the…

> in charge of the communications system for one side

Telegram us being used by both sides of the conflict. It is as populat in Ukraine as it in Russia. (or other ex-USSR states for that matter)

Re: Thoughts on the Durov Arrest

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Post by mytailorisrich »

akira2501 wrote: post #70
cedws wrote: post #6

The speculation on this situation is crazy. People are losing their minds over the idea of Durov being arrested over crimes committed on his platform, but we don’t even know the details. For all we know he could have been completely complicit. Hold your horses people.

> the idea of Durov being arrested I don't know him but the idea that an individual CEO would be handled in this way seems extreme and calls into question the actual motives of the French government. > For all we know he could have been completely complicit. I guess he could be an international terrorist drug dealing pimp. > Hold your horses people. The French governments actions and communication on the subject has…

It's not for the government to communicate, and criminal investigations are secret in France. So prosecutors don't have to make any public statements or release any documents (and in fact they shouldn't) but in such high profile cases they are likely to make a general statement to placate the media.

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Post by cja »

sofixa wrote: post #36
cja wrote: post #27

Why are so many people taking this at face value? There's a war going on and the man in charge of the communications system for one side flew to try to meet his leader and then flew to an enemy country where there was a warrant for his arrest. I'm not saying the French aren't serious about the charges they've published but they're hardly the main point. There's plenty in the media about the use of Telegram by the the…

I see this argument a lot, but it falls apart when you realise Ukraine also extensively uses Telegram. Maybe not for official state business (Zelenskyy chatting with his intelligence chief), but many times officials communicate with civilians via Telegram channels.

Your second sentence contradicts your first

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Post by g42gregory »

gpayan wrote: post #74

I wonder why Durov traveled to France, knowing that he would be arrested there. Could there be more to the story?

He did not know that he would be arrested there. The plane tried to leave Paris airspace at the last minute, but it was too late. Durov should have known that he could be arrested. Basically, arrogance and wishful thinking, complacency, believing in "democracy". Still, UAE will probably get him out.

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Post by herbst »

JoelJacobson wrote: post #68

Strange, I haven't found any articles that mention the "Find People Nearby" and "Make Myself Visible" features, which seems to be core features criminals use to sell drugs/sex, finding new random clients in the area. The public non-encrypted aliases or bio of users often contain wordings that explicitly spell out they sell drugs or sex. For instance, one alias is "WEED COKE MDMA SPE..." I don't have a clear opinion o…

I always was under assumption that these are all fake. There are ~300 people living nearby me. 5 are dealers and 10 prostitutes according to telegram.
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