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Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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See my comment above. My company did nothing wrong, nothing even remotely shady. We were a C corp with a typical mix of investors - angels, Sand Hill VCs and CVCs. We were subject to extensive due diligence by investors. I've never had an experience like I had with Chase.

Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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I got a letter from Citibank demanding I prove my business was legit. I sent them a "secure message"(on their online site) containing the documents. But(according to them) they could not open those secure documents. They called me and asked for the password for that secure message. That was of course a red flag so I went to the local branch and asked them to send those documents to whoever it was that was requesting them.

Going to the local branch stopped them from sending any more demands for documents so it seems it really was Citibank who had sent those demands to me. But for them to ask for my password in a phone conversation is a huge Red Flag right? And they never sent me a confirmation that issue was resolved.

I should have reported them for asking for my password, but did not know where should I submit such a report.

Big banks are too big.

Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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Similar experience: Citibank Retirement. I had about $80,000 in IRA/CD's. I'd created & contributed to them over a period of 35 years. Last year, it's time to retire, and Citibank won't give me half the money. It seems that some CD's are for "Cliff Stoll" and some for "Clifford Stoll". Citibank Retirement demanded a "Marriage Certificate, Divorce Decree, or Court Order" to demonstrate that "Cliff Stoll" is the same p…

Cliff, you've probably got the contacts necessary who could get their way in there and change the records for you. :)

Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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Crypto solves this. Well, eventually, after initially making it worse, because all your crypto-adjacent transactions in the meantime make legacy banks extra-hair-trigger suspicious.

This seems somewhat contentious, but having some assets outside of the banks is a pretty reasonable derisking mechanism. Bitcoin, and some stablecoins seem like a wise choice.

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Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>My street name changed and I still have issues now and then with geolocation. This happened at my previous house, except with an additional twist: the street name was changed to an identical streetname, less than a mile away , but within a different city. Adding to the confusion, my address was duplicated on that other street with a commercial brokerage which often gets sued. How do I know about these lawsuits? — be…

what... what did you doo...

Usually just accepted the documents/lawsuit, then drove up the mountain to give it to the intended recipient. The first time this happened, business was closed... so I just taped it to the door (and then the owner came out LIVID, thinking I was the process server...).

Only once did the process server actually look on his phone to see that there were in fact two same-addressed properties (and obviously mine was residential).

Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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I feel bad for the people who went through this Kafkaesque nightmare.

> After months of back-and-forth, [...] I finally got my money.

I didn't find any mention of a lawyer in the article.

When you realize you're dealing with people who aren't operating in good faith, seriously consider consulting a lawyer.

(A harder problem is realizing when people aren't operating in good faith. Especially if you're a Pollyanna, or decent folk dropped into the big city.)

> consider using my referral link to open an account with Mercury

I'm not going to click a kickback link on a piece like this, and I'm going to disregard the recommendation.

If the goal is to warn people away from something, or to make a positive recommendation for something else, why add an obvious conflict of interest that didn't have to be there?

Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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Everyone wants to open their first bank account in one of the big banks, I was one of those. Later I found out that not-so-famous big/small banks are far superior for SMBs.

Revolut, Mercury, Meow and Payoneer (Personally using myself) are all leading online businesses.

Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely exacerbated by being a big bank though. If I have a problem with my local bank, I can literally walk into the branch and probably just talk to a VP about it straight-away if needed.

This is even more true at a local credit union. Add in the co-op network of credit unions, where you can go to any branch of any of the member unions (50k+ branches last time I checked, but it's been awhile) and it's hard for me to understand why people bother with these big banks.

When I looked at local credit unions in Arizona, none of them would be able to deal with international transactions.

Re: Cautionary tale on using Chase bank for indie business

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I've never used JP Morgan or Chase, but I recently inherited some stock. There was no way to transfer the stock in-kind to another brokerage, for some reason it needed to go from a JP Morgan account to another JP Morgan account. (I didn't want to cash the stock out immediately because I couldn't get info on the basis and what the capital gains taxes would be). Anyway, sibling knew someone who worked at JP Morgan priv…

> I didn't want to cash the stock out immediately because I couldn't get info on the basis and what the capital gains taxes would be.

You'd need to figure that out eventually anyway. Better sooner than later.

But in any case, you could have sold the stock, transferred the money, and then re-purchased the stock and simply reported it as a wash sale.

> by this time the stock market had tanked

That can go either way. I've had stocks that I wanted to sell get held up, and go up in value in the meantime. So you have to just chalk that up to fate.

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