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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

> I am yet to see any reasoned argument for why it is far more difficult and will take far longer.

For language models specifically, they are trained on data and have historically been improved by increasing the size of the model (by number of parameters) and by the amount and/or quality of training data.

We are basically out of new, non-synthetic text to train models on and it’s extremely hard work to come up with novel architecture that performs well against transformers.

Those are some simple reasons why it will be far more difficult to improve general language models.

There are also papers showing that training models on synthetic data causes “model collapse” and greatly reduces output quality by magnifying errors already present in the model, so it’s not a problem we can easily sidestep.

It’s an easy mistake to see something like chatgpt not exist, then suddenly exist and assume a major breakthrough happened, but behind the scenes there has been like 50 years of R&D that led to it, it’s not like suddenly there was a breakthrough and now the gates are open.

A general intelligence for CS is like the elixir of life for medicine.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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> Seriously I am a 2x coder compared to what I was because of this. Isn't the energy consumption of this technology pretty catastrophic? Do you consider the issue of energy consumption so abstracted you don't worry about it? Do you do anything to offset your increased carbon emissions?

isn't the energy consumption of travel, driving, and shipping food to you pretty catastrophic? Do you consider the issue of energy consumption so abstracted you don't worry about it? Do you do anything to offset your increased carbon emissions?

> Do you do anything to offset your increased carbon emissions?

Yes. Quite a lot. I walk the talk.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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> but I am yet to see any reasoned argument for why it is far more difficult and will take far longer I am yet to see any reasoned argument for why it is easy to build real AI and that it will come fast. As you said, AI has been there for decades and stagnated for pretty much the whole time. We've just had a big leap, but nothing says (except BS hype) that we're not in for a long plateau again.

Well he gave you a list of credentials of why you should believe him. Isn’t that enough ?

> I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness

This has to do with ML and numerical computing, how?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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I'm not sure that is realistic anymore. The run of free money is over and I expected that markets are going to be very picky compared to a few years ago

I must have missed the memo. Where could I get the free money? "a few years ago" we had a global pandemic. Are you claiming that markets will be very picky compared to that time?

I think you missed the memo during the pandemic then. That was the biggest supply of free money in a while for many industries.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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> Seriously I am a 2x coder compared to what I was because of this. You probably shouldn't advertise that.

I am highly skeptical that a competent coder sees a 2x boost.

Reminds me of The Primeagen quote: “If copilot made you 10x better, then you were only a 0.1x programmer to begin with”.

As someone who uses ChatGPT and Claude daily, but cancelled my Copilot subscription after a year of use because it intimately just wasn’t that helpful to me and didn’t provide enough benefit over doing it by hand, I kind of sort of agree. Maybe not entirely, but I can’t shake the feeling that there might be some truth in it.

The code that AI generates for me is rarely good. It’s possible to get good code out of it, but it requires many iterations of careful review and prompting, but for most cases, I can write it quicker by hand. Where it really shines for me in programming and what I still use ChatGPT and Claude for is rubber ducking and as an alternative to documentation (eg “how do I do x in css”).

Besides the code quality being mediocre at best and outright rubbish at worst, it’s too much of a “yes man”, it’s lazy (choose between A and B: why not a hybrid approach? That’s… not what I asked for), and it doesn’t know how to say “I don’t know”.

I also feel it makes you, the human programmer, lazy. We need to exercise our brains, not delegate too much to a dumb computer.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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I’m just surprised something nearly replaced google in my lifetime.

Google is now "a tool" not "the tool" for finding information. Perplexity and Phind do a good job and DDG is there for the privacy angle. In addition to LLMs just giving you the answer you need.

How on earths name do you use an LLM to find information ? I just don’t get it. For current events it out of date and it confidently feeds me shit ?

I might use them occasionally for a rubber ducky but , replacing Google ? Hm

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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To be honest, I was surprised by ChatGPT. I didn’t think we were close. We are running out of textual data now to train on… so now they have switched to VIDEO. Geez now they can train on all the VIDEOS on the internet. And when they finally get bots working, they will have limitless streams of TACTILE data… Writing it off as the next fad seems fun. But to be honest, I was shocked by what openai did the first time. So…

> Seriously I am a 2x coder compared to what I was because of this. Isn't the energy consumption of this technology pretty catastrophic? Do you consider the issue of energy consumption so abstracted you don't worry about it? Do you do anything to offset your increased carbon emissions?

You think silicon valley types care?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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> Seriously I am a 2x coder compared to what I was because of this. Isn't the energy consumption of this technology pretty catastrophic? Do you consider the issue of energy consumption so abstracted you don't worry about it? Do you do anything to offset your increased carbon emissions?

They certainly are not providing these services at less than electricity costs. So if you are spending $20 a month on it, they are spending less than that on electricity. It's very low compared to any person in the first world's energy spend.

How do you know?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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post #45

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Google is now "a tool" not "the tool" for finding information. Perplexity and Phind do a good job and DDG is there for the privacy angle. In addition to LLMs just giving you the answer you need.

How on earths name do you use an LLM to find information ? I just don’t get it. For current events it out of date and it confidently feeds me shit ? I might use them occasionally for a rubber ducky but , replacing Google ? Hm

Usually more for solution suggestion for programming stuff. Anything where I cam verify the answer.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Perhaps I should have said "AI hype-skeptic"? I am just not seeing the productivity gains that others claim ITT.

AI is a tool, if you don't know how to use a tool you can't expect to get good results with it. That means both how to interact with the AI and how to structure your code to make the AI's generations more accurate.

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