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Re: CockroachDB license change

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I am a great fan of scaling vertically as far sa possible on DB servers. These days that is pretty damn high. It avoids a lot of prickly edge cases.

It is definitively not one solution for all. There are many cases where it just won't work.

I would like to see more IBM Z servers being used. $$$$$$$$ though

Re: CockroachDB license change

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is described as a rugpull because of the marketing around it being open source. Coackroach however was never open source, it was BSL licensed. This change does appear to mean that old versions will no longer eventually convert to open source, though. Thus it would be up to the the BSL promoters and marketers to decide whether or not this is a rugpull. As an open source user and proponent, I don't really care.

Cockroach hasn’t marketed itself as open source for years

> CockroachDB - the open source, cloud-native distributed SQL database.

https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach

Re: CockroachDB license change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that whenever an open source project is run by a VC-backed company, it sooner or later ends up like this. Increasingly it seems that "open source" is just the teaser to get people interested and then when investors want revenue growth, the rug gets pulled. IMO, it's not really open source if its run by a company that will eventually use its position to squeeze its users for cash.

Like other folks have said, anytime you see a CLA, you see the true intentions of the project. A project that will always be FOSS won't have a need for a CLA.

The ASF requires a CLA for all regular contributors or large contributions, so I don’t think this is a particularly good barometer.

Re: CockroachDB license change

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Free license: > Telemetry Required (excluding ephemeral clusters of 7 days or less) So not free, then. Is there already a popular fork?

Yes, the popular fork is called Postgres. You can find many vendors who will let you run it on one node cheaply. It’s also free to self-host.

In what way is postgres similar to cockroachdb? Except for being a database. Going by that standard you might as well say that Access is an alternative to postgres. Which it technically is but...

Re: CockroachDB license change

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Dancing around the "so it's not open source" by not clearly saying "correct, it's no longer open source". "CockroachDB will remain source available under a new license" sounds correct but it's still sidestepping the question. And "the source code will still be available for viewing and contributions" is completely shit. Why would anyone contribute to a commercial product unless they're getting paid to do so. Also, th…

> Why would anyone contribute to a commercial product unless they're getting paid to do so.

Because they'd be getting paid to do it for their company? I know of a few customers who, if they could, would have their employees contribute minor features to AWS services to solve issues.

Re: CockroachDB license change

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is described as a rugpull because of the marketing around it being open source. Coackroach however was never open source, it was BSL licensed. This change does appear to mean that old versions will no longer eventually convert to open source, though. Thus it would be up to the the BSL promoters and marketers to decide whether or not this is a rugpull. As an open source user and proponent, I don't really care.

> Coackroach however was never open source, it was BSL licensed. It used to be Apache2. :) Their blog post announcing this in 2019 happens to now 404: https://www.cockroachlabs.com/blog/oss-relicensing-cockroach... But see also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40058332 .

My bad, I was wrong then. They even still falsely claim on github that it is open source, too (thanks to another commenter for pointing that out.).

Re: CockroachDB license change

#80
post #39

Enforced telemetry for free users? That's gross.

Not only that, but according to the licence agreement, there are "technical countermeasures" to stop you from using the product if you were to block telemetry with a firewall (presumably it stops working if the telemetry server doesn't send back an acknowledgement), and "You understand and agree that Licensor may use and disclose personal information collected as part of Telemetry in accordance with Licensor's Privac…

In the closed source world it's common enough that free trials will be something along the lines of "we give you a license key tied to your name, and every time you start the software it calls into our license server to validate the license key"

It's bad, but it's not unusual if you use closed-source software.

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