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Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by nojvek »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #59
xnx wrote: post #3

The gap between Waymo and all other competitors in the self-driving space continues to widen.

Comma has given up on self-driving cars and they're downplaying it now.

Comma is phenomenal at highway driving. Better than Tesla.

They should keep on doing what they're doing. Make ~$1000 gadget that makes driving less of a chore. Doubtful they'll get to driverless in next 10 years.

There can be many players in the market at different offerings and price points. Comma is a sweet spot where they are handsomely profitable, don't need to raise another round and get incrementally better.

Waymo has unlimited money from Google. Cruise, Zoox, e.t.c will have to face reckoning at some point.

It was smart of Uber to get out of self-driving car billion dollar money burning pit. They can always enter the race again. They have market size advantage.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by aantix »

cameldrv wrote: post #63
aantix wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen FSD 12.5.1.3?

Yeah. Have you seen Waymo? Even with 12.5, you have to keep your eyes on the road, and at least once or twice a week, it’s going to do something that would likely cause an accident. If it does, Tesla will blame you for not paying attention. In a Waymo, you sit in the back seat and scroll your phone and it gets you safely to your destination every time. These are not even remotely comparable products.

They're not remotely comparable problem sets.

Tesla's generalized driving algorithm vs Waymo's cherry-picked routes and ideal weather.

Tesla is winning. And the gap is getting wider.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by jacobjjacob »

firloop wrote: post #11
tomblomfield wrote: post #7

I’m a big Waymo fan. Some of my thoughts; Waymos are one of the first things that my visitors to SF want to try. It feels like living in a science-fiction future. The ride and navigation feels very smooth - after the novelty of having no driver in the front seat wears off, you become accustomed to the experience surprisingly quickly. In comparison, I found the Cruise driving experience pretty uncomfortable and stress…

As I've mentioned on another thread, I just wish Waymo drove faster. They often don't keep up with the pace of traffic.

One of the best things about Waymo vs Uber and Lyft is that they drive smooth and comfortable, they aren’t zooming around between every stoplight and making me carsick.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by leesec »

SoftTalker wrote: post #44
someonehere wrote: post #6

I continue to use them instead of Lyft or Uber. Same price practically for me when I commute around SF. I love it.

Why do they use Jaguars? Seems an unnecessary expense.

They won't soon, the I-Pace is stopping production

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by fsociety »

aantix wrote: post #72
cameldrv wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Have you seen Waymo? Even with 12.5, you have to keep your eyes on the road, and at least once or twice a week, it’s going to do something that would likely cause an accident. If it does, Tesla will blame you for not paying attention. In a Waymo, you sit in the back seat and scroll your phone and it gets you safely to your destination every time. These are not even remotely comparable products.

They're not remotely comparable problem sets. Tesla's generalized driving algorithm vs Waymo's cherry-picked routes and ideal weather. Tesla is winning. And the gap is getting wider.

I would bet more in a company who figured out the last 20% in a specific city than a company stuck on the first 80% generally.

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Post by saddlerustle »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #51
saddlerustle wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AutoX and Pony.ai in China have been been offering rides to the public with no safety driver for much longer than Waymo

Waymo has been doing public rides (2015) since before either company was founded (2016). Pony.ai also got their permit suspended twice in California for different safety-related reasons, so the comparison says more about the different regulatory environment in China than it does about their relative maturity.

Waymo was not doing public rides in 2015. It was invite only and you had to sign an NDA

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Post by acchow »

aantix wrote: post #72
cameldrv wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Have you seen Waymo? Even with 12.5, you have to keep your eyes on the road, and at least once or twice a week, it’s going to do something that would likely cause an accident. If it does, Tesla will blame you for not paying attention. In a Waymo, you sit in the back seat and scroll your phone and it gets you safely to your destination every time. These are not even remotely comparable products.

They're not remotely comparable problem sets. Tesla's generalized driving algorithm vs Waymo's cherry-picked routes and ideal weather. Tesla is winning. And the gap is getting wider.

Waymo works perfectly fine in the rain. No driver.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by typon »

leesec wrote: post #77

I'm happy for Waymo and hope they continue to expand. I do expect Tesla to still win out on "robotaxis" in the nearish term, e.g. I expect them to have given way way more rides than Waymo by say 2030

Tesla has yet to demonstrate autonomous driving capability. A human ready to intervene in long tail scenarios (which is the hard part of the problem) does not constitute autonomous capability, no matter what the marketing material says.
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