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The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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Oldsmobile has some really terrific engineers. I know because I attended schools in the Lansing area with their kids. What killed the brand was a series of general managers in the late nineties and early two thousands. Until then Oldsmobile outsold Pontiac and Buick.

This is basically the story of GM for the last 40-50 years as a whole. The engineers will do or propose something brilliant and really great, and then management repeatedly snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Saturn was another extremely good example of GM building something excellent and then their management just completely drove it off a cliff. The S-series was a really great design when it came out, and was honestly far better than it's internal competitors (like the Cavalier) and was competitive with small Japanese cars; the space frame, plastic panels, lost foam casting for the block, etc were really good engineering, and the car and brand had a deserved cult following. GM didn't like the fact it made the Cavalier look like shit and so naturally it was allowed to wither on the wine and then basically everything else after was just more badge engineered Chevy and Pontiac vehicles. GM's entire management should have been totally shitcanned at multiple points during and after the early 90s for the absolutely abhorrent job they did.

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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post #69

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The car absolutely did exist, just not in great numbers. The article even has photographic proof of its existence. Concept vehicles like this are typically built one-off and showcased at manufacturer auto shows. Some of them later go into mass production, and some of them don't.

That would be an excellent point for a headline that says, “This Never-Sold Concept Car Had The Wildest Dashboard You’ve Never Seen.” Obviously, such a truthful headline would get much fewer clicks. The actual headline intentionally wants us to think they’re going to show us the “Wildest” Knight Rider car that people were driving in the 80s. (Maybe they were rare, maybe you were too young to have seen them, but we ha…

Nothing about the headline stated or even implied it was a production vehicle. It literally does say, "You’ve Never Seen" it.

I immediately presumed it was a concept car from the headline. If you presumed otherwise, that just might be your unfamiliarity with the subject matter.

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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post #41

Steering wheel is wild But those kind of dashboard gauges did make it to production. 80s digital dashes from GM were actually super cool. They have a few failure points but there are still some guys restoring them . I retrofitted the S10 model into an S10 blazer in high school and owned a factor Camaro with one. The S10 one was like driving a space ship at the time. Here’s some cool examples https://drivemag.com/red-…

Looking back on some of those after not seeing them for 20 years is refreshing. Some of those are so bad, but a few of them are pretty cool. The 727/Space Shuttle styled, green cathode touchscreens are amazing though!

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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post #46

I love this!!! As a non-American, let me say never has a brand name been so out of sync with a car design. That thing is anything but an "Old"-smobile. Looking at it I also thought how cool it would be if the dash were entirely modular a-la Framework laptops. "Standard" electrical, electronic and mechanical interfaces to which modders could fit all sorts of weird and wonderful interfaces. And I mean the whole physica…

From 1975-1985, they were selling 500,000 Oldsmobile Cutlasses per year. Insane.

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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post #47

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What about the managers killed the brand?

Oldsmobile at the time (around 1990) had a reputation for being the car of the not-quite-well-to-do middle aged. Cars that were positioned upmarket like the Delta 98 and Cutlass Ciera were very cheaply and poorly built despite having standard features that were high end options on a Chevrolet or Pontiac or were exclusive to Oldsmobile and Buick. Oldsmobile was one of the brands that decided not to participate in the…

Are you sure you're not confusing the 60* V6 family that was around in GM vehicles in the 80s (the 2.8, 3.1, and 3.4 and their predecessor engines) with the Buick 90* V6 (of which the 3800 was a part of and dated back to way before I was born). Otherwise that's pretty fascinating...GM vehicles are always so strange in so far as that the "lower end" marques and lower trim vehicles always seemed to be better designed, more durable and way more reliable. It's hard to believe that Olds didn't just use an SBC derivative like the LT1 for the Aurora given how much better those engines were (and everyone knew it) than the Northstar, which was basically a flaming expensive pile of shit from day 1.

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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>> airplane yoke is optimized for small but precise inputs It's the opposite. Full left-right deflection on an airplane yoke is about 1/4 of a rotation, a movement measured in inches. Full deflection of car steering wheel is multiple rotations, a movement measured in feet. Car steering requires much more precision than aircraft. The yoke is optimized for rapid full-deflection with minimal control input. Fine control…

> Car steering requires much more precision than aircraft. This seems counterintuitive to me. I associate more movement (of the controller) with less precision.

>> I associate more movement (of the controller) with less precision.

Think of a microscope. You have a course adjustment that moves the focus quickly, then a fine control that moves it more slowly. The former is less precise than the latter.

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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Back in the 80s one of my father's summer past times was test driving cars. Once a week or so he would stick me on his lap in our Dodge Horizon and have me work the wheel while he took care of the pedals and gear shift with a Camel in one hand and a bottle of beer (generic) in the other, Uriah Heap or Deep Purple on the 8-track since for what ever reason those were the only cartridges that 8-track would not eat. Reme…

I don't think NHTSA ever approved a yoke steering setup for a production car in the US; but a late-80's Pontiac Bonneville or Mitsubishi Galant would have steering wheels chock full of control buttons, and a dash covered in LEDs like the cockpit of a Gundam.

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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Maybe they wanted to "solve" the hand-over-hand turning problem with insanely quick-ratio steering

True. I can understand the argument that a 'better' steering system would remove the need for hand-over-hand turning, but I have a hard time believing that people can adapt to a turning system that doesn't react in a liner proportion to the distance the 'wheel' moves. As a kid I played computer racing games that had proper 'proportional' turning of the steering wheel, but only if you used an analogue joystick. I used…

Yeah, it would be awful. A normal quick ratio steering setup will still turn around once. If turning the yoke 90˚ meant turning the wheels fully, it'd be really hard just to stay in your lane. Was already annoying enough in my ex cop car.

Re: The 1986 Oldsmobile Incas Dashboard (2020)

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Back in the 80s one of my father's summer past times was test driving cars. Once a week or so he would stick me on his lap in our Dodge Horizon and have me work the wheel while he took care of the pedals and gear shift with a Camel in one hand and a bottle of beer (generic) in the other, Uriah Heap or Deep Purple on the 8-track since for what ever reason those were the only cartridges that 8-track would not eat. Reme…

I don't think NHTSA ever approved a yoke steering setup for a production car in the US; but a late-80's Pontiac Bonneville or Mitsubishi Galant would have steering wheels chock full of control buttons, and a dash covered in LEDs like the cockpit of a Gundam.

Very possible I am misremembering but it could have been a used car modified by the previous owner or a conversion by the dealer; one of the dealers we occasionally visited customized everything they sold, mostly did conversion vans and hotrods but had all kinds of fun stuff.
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