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Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by BoredPositron »

_heimdall wrote: post #68
BoredPositron wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is no other way in a democracy to handle overreach... it's always the same straw man argument. "We'll end up in a dystopian autocratic tyranny nightmare TOMORROW if we do anything against it. With the only conclusion let's do nothing at all." Great input.

Rather than disregarding the concern, how would you propose the overreach should be handled? And is it possible to handle the overreach before it harms citizens caught in the middle, or can it only be dealt with after innocent people are on the wrong end of the overreach?

And innocent people that get harmed by non action are irrelevant? Laws can and will always be abused but if they are about online discourse the only possibility seems to be that there will be nothing but abuse. As long as you are in a country with an intact democracy and separation of power you'll be fine and if not vote against it.

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by BoredPositron »

_heimdall wrote: post #66
BoredPositron wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I'm currently waiting for a knock at my door along with 65 million of Brits who have posted inaccurate information online from time to time. Legal note: if anything I have said here is inaccurate I was unaware of it at the time of posting. how fucking funny. Everytime when something like this is getting discussed the only response is sarcasm and hybris. No acknowledgment of the problem, no ideas, just fucking bad…

I think part of the problem at hand is when laws written poorly can be enforced in ways that don't align with the meaning behind the original laws. The solution really is simple - write clearly defined and contained laws or don't write any at all. Most people wouldn't be comfortable with that, though, and in a world where news stories and political debates are forgotten in a matter of weeks people won't find it accep…

Yeah, that's a cop out no law will ever be satisfactory initially with your requirements. Every constitution gets amendments and the same can go for a law like we are discussing now. That the only conclusion is "do nothing at all" is mind boggling.

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by gorgoiler »

whatshisface wrote: post #70
gorgoiler wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For completeness, the context here is a social media post alleging the identity of someone arrested hours earlier for a mass murder at a children’s play group — an extremely distressing event that has been followed, for unclear reasons, by nationwide rioting. This person was “arrested in relation to a post about the identity of the attacker in the Southport murders ” and specifically “on suspicion of publishing writt…

I hope the police are ready for a decade where a single highly motivated person who is willing to risk punishment can instantly weild the credence of one half of the entire debate, and win the attention of everyone with hushed sympathies. This is an extremely dangerous political climate.

Sadly, this began on July 29th with a single person willing to risk punishment for wanton violence. A common thread here is society producing outsiders: is this new or worse in the modern era?

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by gorgoiler »

lmaoguy wrote: post #62
gorgoiler wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For completeness, the context here is a social media post alleging the identity of someone arrested hours earlier for a mass murder at a children’s play group — an extremely distressing event that has been followed, for unclear reasons, by nationwide rioting. This person was “arrested in relation to a post about the identity of the attacker in the Southport murders ” and specifically “on suspicion of publishing writt…

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I don’t think this is fair but I also shouldn’t have skirted around a bunch of things by just saying “unclear reasons”.

To be more specific those accused of stoking up the mobs — characters like Robinson, Fox, Tate, Farage — have a prior agenda that is wider than this specific knife attack and it is suspected that the rioting, while ostensibly being in response to the knife attack, is really about airing old prejudices based on race, religion, and nationality (hence the Swift reference.)

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by [deleted] »

gorgoiler wrote: post #73
whatshisface wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope the police are ready for a decade where a single highly motivated person who is willing to risk punishment can instantly weild the credence of one half of the entire debate, and win the attention of everyone with hushed sympathies. This is an extremely dangerous political climate.

Sadly, this began on July 29th with a single person willing to risk punishment for wanton violence. A common thread here is society producing outsiders: is this new or worse in the modern era?

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Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by dave333 »

486sx33 wrote: post #15
kypro wrote: post #4

For those unaware, the UK police are currently promising to go after people posting misinformation and retweeting content (including video of riots) that might incite hate. In response to this the UK police are being trolled on their live chats (largely by Americans I believe). I did originally post a link to these (you can find them on X), but given the content I don't want to risk it. I'm assuming they're now block…

I hereby assert that the queen is still alive . Am I now guilty of an offense?

There's a difference between freedom of speech and inciting riots with lies. Also what can get by in normal times may not do so in an emergency.

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by yossarian1408 »

nemo44x wrote: post #42

"Anarcho-tyranny is a social condition characterized by a combination of anarchy and tyranny, where the government is simultaneously ineffective at enforcing laws against criminal behavior and overly oppressive against law-abiding citizens."

Reminiscent of that quote from the Gulag Archipelago.

"Your punishment for having a knife when they searched you would be very different from the thief’s. For him to have a knife was mere misbehavior, tradition, he didn’t know any better. But for you to have one was ‘terrorism."

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by squiffsquiff »

gerdesj wrote: post #22

$ host www.police.uk www.police.uk is an alias for fallback.soh.police.uk. fallback.soh.police.uk has address 104.18.28.214 fallback.soh.police.uk has address 104.18.29.214 $ host police.uk police.uk has address 51.104.28.64 Could someone outside the UK use the above and explain what they experience. Then we can get to the bottom of this. Its a bit late here for me to ask remote customers if I can use their gear to d…

Within the UK:

$ host www.police.uk www.police.uk is an alias for fallback.soh.police.uk. fallback.soh.police.uk has address 104.18.29.214 fallback.soh.police.uk has address 104.18.28.214

https://www.police.uk/ is a police force landing page

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by kypro »

BoredPositron wrote: post #27
kypro wrote: post #4

For those unaware, the UK police are currently promising to go after people posting misinformation and retweeting content (including video of riots) that might incite hate. In response to this the UK police are being trolled on their live chats (largely by Americans I believe). I did originally post a link to these (you can find them on X), but given the content I don't want to risk it. I'm assuming they're now block…

>> I'm currently waiting for a knock at my door along with 65 million of Brits who have posted inaccurate information online from time to time. Legal note: if anything I have said here is inaccurate I was unaware of it at the time of posting. how fucking funny. Everytime when something like this is getting discussed the only response is sarcasm and hybris. No acknowledgment of the problem, no ideas, just fucking bad…

Heh. Sorry, it was a silly joke. I agree.

Re: The UK government has blocked IPs

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Post by sva_ »

kypro wrote: post #4

For those unaware, the UK police are currently promising to go after people posting misinformation and retweeting content (including video of riots) that might incite hate. In response to this the UK police are being trolled on their live chats (largely by Americans I believe). I did originally post a link to these (you can find them on X), but given the content I don't want to risk it. I'm assuming they're now block…

The situation here in Europe is gonna get a lot more tense over the next 10-20 years.
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