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I don't need fact checkers to know it's bad when white nationalism and Alex Jones are involved.
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What I Saw in the Darién Gap
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China? That seems to concentrate on building infrastructure in countries rather than toppling their governments...
BRI is certainly not a home run, and is basically playing the same game as the World Bank or other development initiatives, but without global oversight. It's track record is decidedly mixed, and usually favors Chinese interests. Confessions of an Economic Hitman -- but this time using Socialism with Chinese Characteristics > The truth seems to lie somewhere between these last two reasons. In recent years, there have…
That's all true, but the USA sets a very low bar. Being better is not hard at all.
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I don't need fact checkers to know it's bad when white nationalism and Alex Jones are involved.
I watched one Yon's recent videos, I didn't detect any "white nationalism". I prefer original sources over race baiting. We should be capable of evaluating individuals and their messages on their own merit. There are many areas where I disagreed with Yon, but I didn't find any of the inflammatory content your sources suggested. To the contrary, it fits with my past experience with the SPLC's partisan crusades.
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#74Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…
> I think we should reconsider the "hands off" attitude
You seriously think the US has a 'hands' off attitude to South America?
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I don't need fact checkers to know it's bad when white nationalism and Alex Jones are involved.
I watched one Yon's recent videos, I didn't detect any "white nationalism". I prefer original sources over race baiting. We should be capable of evaluating individuals and their messages on their own merit. There are many areas where I disagreed with Yon, but I didn't find any of the inflammatory content your sources suggested. To the contrary, it fits with my past experience with the SPLC's partisan crusades. https:…
I should have left the SPLC parts out because the rest is enough on it's own and you are all focusing on it so you can ignore the rest.
Also I don't understand the argument of calling it "partisan crusades" while sending me conservative Christian sources.
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#76When commenting about how this affects economic policy, immigration reform, military involvement, the causes of why we’re here, laws, title 42, migrants, justifications, and everything in between.. Remember that these are people just like you and I. They, like all humans, are seeking safety and stability for theirselves and families. The difference is that they were born, or ended up in, situations so dire they felt…
I understand what you're saying, I was particularly moved by the story of the Vietnamese woman who lost her son crossing a river. It's heartbreaking. For some of these people it's better odds. Particularly I'm sympathetic to people living in places like Venezuela or central Africa. But for the rest, people from places like Vietnam or China or Chile, their situations are most certainly not worth the risk. They were ei…
Its a difficult challenge to try to define for someone else what their balance of risk and reward should be. I can say that it is hard for me to imagine deciding to risk this journey, but I wouldn't tell someone else they shouldn't.
The problem, as I see it, has nothing to do with whether people should make this journey or how much immigration is "enough" immigration. The underlying problem is the imbalance between entitlement programs and immigration. Entitlement programs create an incentive to be inside the country's borders that doesn't otherwise exist.
Both politicians and most media outlets have done a great job focusing discussion and debate on symptoms rather than root cause, that may have been intentional or unintentional. We can run in circles debating who and how many we want to allow to immigrate legally. That debate will never end when its based entirely on personal opinion.
A country with any entitlement programs has to control their borders at limit immigration. An interesting question is what to do when borders and immigration can't be controlled effectively. In that scenario, can the country continue to have entitlement programs without government debt spiralling out of control?
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I understand what you're saying, I was particularly moved by the story of the Vietnamese woman who lost her son crossing a river. It's heartbreaking. For some of these people it's better odds. Particularly I'm sympathetic to people living in places like Venezuela or central Africa. But for the rest, people from places like Vietnam or China or Chile, their situations are most certainly not worth the risk. They were ei…
Its a difficult challenge to try to define for someone else what their balance of risk and reward should be. I can say that it is hard for me to imagine deciding to risk this journey, but I wouldn't tell someone else they shouldn't. The problem, as I see it, has nothing to do with whether people should make this journey or how much immigration is "enough" immigration. The underlying problem is the imbalance between e…
Yeah I'm 100% with you on the cause. I will tell someone they shouldn't if they have little kids with them. Risking your own life is fine, making changes for your family necessarily comes with risk, but carrying a small child through this jungle is downright irresponsible unless your child is going to starve or be harmed living in the place you left.
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#78When commenting about how this affects economic policy, immigration reform, military involvement, the causes of why we’re here, laws, title 42, migrants, justifications, and everything in between.. Remember that these are people just like you and I. They, like all humans, are seeking safety and stability for theirselves and families. The difference is that they were born, or ended up in, situations so dire they felt…
I say this from personal experience in medicine - many of them come here under highly auspicious circumstances e.g. "I claimed asylum because XYZ, and XYZ just so happened to be at the time I was 8.9 months pregnant, which circumstantially will just so happen to make my child a US citizen and thus qualify me for welfare, WIC, and free food, vis a vis my citizen-child, of which I definitely won't have 10 more of once I'm here"
The issue isn't asylum or american dream, both are fine. The issue is 10-20 million people milking the housing, welfare, and medical systems -really hard-. In the clinics, some days, 100% of patients were Spanish only speaking i.e. recently arrived here or not-so-recently arrived here and never bothered to learn english. Which is a cost to the public coffers. Not the baseline medical cost, a Spanish interpreter is legally required according to another medical related law, an additional cost.
That's to say, let's eradicate all financial governmental "free money" type motivations +/- "free citizenship to anchor babies" motivations as to why a person would come here. People wistfully point to Ellis Island as the spirit of America, in that spirit, let these immigrants make their way on their two feet with their two hands, without support, as those of Ellis Island, as those before, did.
The big pain of it is many of these people come from collapsed socialist countries, but maintain some degree of socialist ideals, so they try very hard to extract socialist benefits in the US. It's like guy, why did you think you country collapsed? Oh sorry, you don't speak English, el guy-o, el-why-o el country-o el collapso?
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What nonsense! Title 42 is still in place and as much as the GOP likes to paint Democrats as immigration loving there were more deportations under Obama & Biden than Trump. Perhaps look past the political soundbites and more at the numbers and the immense complexity of the situation.
It is worth looking at the numbers. There's a good article from the LA times during the Obama years debunking his deportation numbers. Iirc, he included everybody sent back from the border as a deportation, which did not used to be the case.
It may be true that there are more people stopped at the border than during the trump years as well at the same time it being true that there are 5 to 10 million more illegal immigrants inside the US than in jan 2021.