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Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by alberth » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 4:05 PM UTC

JimDabell wrote: post #43

alberth wrote: post #26

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So in hindsight, if you were CEO of Mozilla - what would you have done differently that you believe would have maintained Firefox market share? —— I think diehard Firefox fans don’t understand that, no matter how great you make Firefox - it will always lose share to better distribution. Google had the best distribution because it was the vast majority of consumers homepage. And on the homepage, it was nagging users t…

> So in hindsight, if you were CEO of Mozilla - what would you have done differently that you believe would have maintained Firefox market share? Integrated ad blocker, enabled by default. It’s the one thing Firefox can do that Chrome never will. Most people aren’t tech-savvy enough to install an ad blocker. Most people really do see all the ads on the Internet. Blocking ads by default would make the browsing experie…

> Integrated ad blocker, enabled by default. It’s the one thing Firefox can do that Chrome never will.

How would that work exactly ... given that Google pays Mozilla $800M to be the default search engine just so that they can serve ads to Firefox users.

If Firefox enable a default ad-blocker, Google doesn't then generate ad revenue and they would stop paying Mozilla. Mozilla entire org revenue stream would disappear.

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by majorchord » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 4:16 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #45

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Firefox like Chrome still allows long-lived i.e. 400 days first party cookies. This is being abused by advertisers to track you across the web. If they do care about privacy it would be good for them to copy Safari and make this 7 days.

> If they do care about privacy it would be good for them to copy Safari and make this 7 days. If I get logged out of every website on a weekly basis I'm going to be annoyed. > This is being abused by advertisers to track you across the web. How do they use first party cookies to track you?

> How do they use first party cookies to track you?

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Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by tmtvl » Thu, Aug 08, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

create-account wrote: post #60

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There's 3 extensions which I consider must-haves: - Noscript Security Suite which has made it very obvious how absolutely fucked today's web is (there's sites which can't display static text without js, as though HTML and CSS are insufficient to display styled text with some markup). - uBlock Origin because obviously. - Multi-account Containers, which aren't quite as good as profiles, but get like 70% of the way ther…

Aren’t no script and uBlock Origin redundant?

I don't think so? I admittedly haven't played around much with uBlock's js blocking, but I thought it was a binary on/off rather than the more granular control NSS offers.

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Fri, Aug 09, 2024, 6:34 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #57

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #45

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> If they do care about privacy it would be good for them to copy Safari and make this 7 days. If I get logged out of every website on a weekly basis I'm going to be annoyed. > This is being abused by advertisers to track you across the web. How do they use first party cookies to track you?

> If I get logged out of every website on a weekly basis I'm going to be annoyed. Then those websites should move to Passkeys. > How do they use first party cookies to track you? Because Meta and Google allows websites to submit advertising data to them server side using a self-hosted JS file which sets the first party cookies on your behalf.

> Because Meta and Google allows websites to submit advertising data to them server side using a self-hosted JS

How does ex. 7d expiration help with that?

Re: Mozilla wants you to love Firefox again

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Post by M95D » Fri, Aug 09, 2024, 12:57 PM UTC

alberth wrote: post #70

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OH MY GOD! Are you serious with this question?!? Or are you just mocking us? Bring back editing the UI, custom toolbars, custom side panels, plugins for custom side panels, features Opera 12 had, such as Opera's Notepad, UI checkboxes for commonly used settings to be placed in custom toolbars (I would love a checkbox for JS enable/disable and a checkbox for Images enable/disable), directly editable UI colors without…

Everything you described is extremely technical. Are you suggesting what you described above, 95% of global users care about? ... and that's why Firefox market share has gone down, because the general person wants a REGEX with live code patching? Because right now, Firefox has 5% market share (based on the GP linked to graphic). I'd wager that, 5% market share is roughly proportional to the global market of developer…

FF doesn't need 95% users. 30% is enough. No browser should have 95%. That would be a monopoly.

30% was the market share it could have if the management direction was to attract Opera 12 users (and devs too) or at least not cripple FF like they did since v50.