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WD announces enterprise 128TB SSD

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Re: WD announces enterprise 128TB SSD

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Post by bane »

Coolbeanstoo wrote: post #11
porphyra wrote: post #9

I really want a denser SSD to store my photo collection. My current small form factor PC has two NVME PCIe slots and no room for SATA drives. I have two 4 TB SSDs in there right now and it seems that consumer SSDs basically cap out at 4 TB. I would really love to get about 16 TB in my computer.

I'd like to find some good quality but slow nvmes, I dont need super high speed for media serving but getting a lot of storage (4x4tb/2x8tb ~) is much more expensive than hard drives. Itd be nice to have a silent home server

Even the 870 QVO SATA drives are way more expensive than spinning rust.

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-870-QVO-SATA-MZ-77Q8T0B/dp/B0...

list price of $850 or $624 on sale for 8tb

Still way better than the M.2 NVMe drives which can be well over $1000 each.

However, these SATA drives still dominate HDDs in most metrics like random access and sustained transfer with like 560MB/sec. Not great compared to modern NVMe drives at like 7GB/sec, but for reference HDDs are usually less than half that and the random access metrics can be dire.

Re: WD announces enterprise 128TB SSD

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Post by estebank »

markhahn wrote: post #34

how big is the market of people who have money to burn? or is it that some people mistakenly believe that bigger devices are more cost-effective? this part of the release is interesting: https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library...

Picture a company with its own on-prem bare metal servers. Over the years they have had space to expand but projections show that soon either a new data center will be needed, either in addition or to move to. Doing so would require a huge capex to either migrate the existing hardware to the bigger space or to reachitect their topology to work on a multi-DC setting. Or you can look at the oldest servers in the fleet, that are scheduled to be decommissioned in the next N years, that have HDDs that are a small fraction of the capacity of the new ones. If you crunch the numbers, it can start to make sense to just say "we just pay the premium for physical density and increase the time before we're in the same position by M years". If M is large enough, people will jump on that option as fast as you can draft the Purchase Order.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

didgetmaster wrote: post #69
Dylan16807 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What numbers are you looking at for 5x? Making sure I'm looking at new hard drives, I see prices around $15/TB at the cheap end. There are a few name-brand SSDs at $45/TB, many more at $50/TB. They're not high end but even the low end is fast these days.

Just like SSDs are $50 at the cheap end; I have seen HDD at $10 on the cheap end.

Definitely new ones? When and where? I keep an eye on prices and I've never seen that.

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Post by [deleted] »

ChoGGi wrote: post #68
zamadatix wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the Flashstor 12 Pro. As the name suggests it's 12 m.2 nvme bays and it's pretty darn small considering. Pros: - It does what it says on the tin and I have 12 nvme drives in a ZFS pool - It has 10G ethernet built in. - It's pretty small, especially compared to most HDD focused NAS systems. - It's just an x86 PC and you can blast the factory OS away to install your OS of choice without issue. Cons: - Each drive…

> - No PCIe expansion slots for anything but m.2 2280 drives. You can get m.2 adapters: https://www.delock.com/produkt/64219/dokumente.html?d=467

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Re: WD announces enterprise 128TB SSD

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Post by zamadatix »

ChoGGi wrote: post #68
zamadatix wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the Flashstor 12 Pro. As the name suggests it's 12 m.2 nvme bays and it's pretty darn small considering. Pros: - It does what it says on the tin and I have 12 nvme drives in a ZFS pool - It has 10G ethernet built in. - It's pretty small, especially compared to most HDD focused NAS systems. - It's just an x86 PC and you can blast the factory OS away to install your OS of choice without issue. Cons: - Each drive…

> - No PCIe expansion slots for anything but m.2 2280 drives. You can get m.2 adapters: https://www.delock.com/produkt/64219/dokumente.html?d=467

In general yes but in the Flashtor you're going to be hard pressed to do much with that unless you wire up a separately powered external chassis which defeats the point of getting the Flashtor.

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Post by nullc »

porphyra wrote: post #9

I really want a denser SSD to store my photo collection. My current small form factor PC has two NVME PCIe slots and no room for SATA drives. I have two 4 TB SSDs in there right now and it seems that consumer SSDs basically cap out at 4 TB. I would really love to get about 16 TB in my computer.

SSDs are maybe not so great for long term data retention, I've found even nice brands of sata SSDs left in a drawer for 5 years coming back full of read errors. :(

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Post by didgetmaster »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #73
didgetmaster wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like SSDs are $50 at the cheap end; I have seen HDD at $10 on the cheap end.

Definitely new ones? When and where? I keep an eye on prices and I've never seen that.

Although the ads I saw claimed to be new drives, I have no way to verify that they are not refurbished. Of course, I don't know if the $50 per tb SSDs are reliable either.

Re: WD announces enterprise 128TB SSD

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Post by wkat4242 »

ggm wrote: post #51

There is a huge price:cost disconnect in the SSD and HDD market, and always has been. The floor price for 2TB SSD is basically stuck on USD100.00 for reputable brands. Less reputable brands are significantly cheaper but the good ones are self-policing around the floor price. People like Tom's Hardware say "oh its the NAND shortage" but thats bullshit. It's the last vestige of not-really-illegal collusive pricing beha…

I think it's also that spinning disk storage isn't really a consumer product anymore. And the enterprise market is characterized by high shelf prices that are deep discounted for large volume purchases.

Of course you can still buy external HDDs but they've become much more of a niche with most people subscribing to cloud storage.

I think that lack of interest is stopping the market driving prices down. In fact a 14TB here is now over 300€ and before the pandemic I'd buy them for 219€. Really annoying.

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