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Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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On iOS it’s only from a pre approved list. Want to use a less censored search like Brave? Nope, unless you use something other than Safari.

What browser allows you to specify a custom search engine? I just checked Chrome and it doesn’t on desktop.

It's confusing, but if you add a "Site search" and then set it to your default, it becomes a "Search engine".

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Not defending google but I don't believe that Google is sending the passwords anywhere

This is how 1password does it for their watchtower feature (basiclaly same feature as your google example)

https://support.1password.com/watchtower-privacy/

The way it works is that instead of sending your password to their server to check (which they do not do that). They download known a list of leaked password to local to check.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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> Google’s payments to make its search engine the default option on smartphone web browsers violate US antitrust law, a federal judge ruled Monday, handing a key victory to the Justice Department. I still find it hard to understand why this makes sense. Don't companies make exclusive deals all the time, and whoever bids higher will get such deals? Why is it different for Google this time?

If it creates a monopoly then no, it's not okay, no matter how normal.

Not necessarily - as it is written, the Sherman anti-trust act and all of the amendments distinguishes between "innocent" and "coercive" monopolies. But the definitions are very loose and hard to pin down.

It's hard to even consistently distinguish a monopoly - is it market share? Earning power? Barriers to entry?

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Remember folks, it isn't over yet, I'd expect Google to appeal this one and this is just about their search dominance. There is another one on the way with the DOJ going after their Ads business. [0] [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-googl...

While not over they have a tough battle ahead. This was a case brought by the Trump Admin and carried on under Biden. I don't see a conservative Federal judge gutting this ruling any more than I do a liberal one.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Apple could be getting paid off by google to keep this aspect of search difficult to change.

$20 billion in 2022 according to the verge via court docs: https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147007/google-paid-apple...

If these hypothetically had no impact on the rest of the business, and were just an arbitrary payment, they would be the difference between Google having more profit than Apple, and vice versa.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On iOS it’s only from a pre approved list. Want to use a less censored search like Brave? Nope, unless you use something other than Safari.

What browser allows you to specify a custom search engine? I just checked Chrome and it doesn’t on desktop.

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Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

> but Google didn't buy its way into dominance annd maintain their dominance through exclusivity deals This is a huge claim. Do you have any evidence to back it up?

I think they're saying is that in Google's very early days, they gained market dominance against a dozen other search engines simply by being better. It wasn't until years later that they started paying to be the dominant search engine.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

> Google didn't buy its way into dominance annd maintain their dominance through exclusivity deals

That’s just a waste of money then. Why are they paying bilious to Mozilla and Apple? Because they’re good buddies? Wouldn’t people use Google anyway?

Just imagine the Google CFO looking through the finance spreadsheets last year and instead of going “let’s layoff a whole bunch of people” they go with “let’s stop paying Apple and Mozilla” for default search.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Are they sending the passwords or are they hashing and sending the hashes? I know 1Password's watchtower uses hashes to detect leaked passwords.

Almost certainly they're sending hashes. However, if they don't have a way to disable this, that's a serious problem, hashes or not.
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