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Loughla wrote: post #68
lambdaba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm into dry fasting, and I know people that did up to 20 days no food/water, and obviously little (but some) physical activity like slow walking.

Legit question: What's the draw to that? Why do you do that to your body?

See my other replies. But I can speak for others a bit, prolonged fasting, even just water fasting, is a spiritual experience. It has unique health benefits. I do it for health, mainly, although I enjoy the experience itself, I'm functioning very differently during a fast, obviously I'm physically weakened, sleep patterns are dramatically altered, but the mind is sharper than ever, in a way that's frankly indescribable. Water fasting does this to a lesser degree, it can be a preview for those that are not ready or interested in something as "extreme" as dry fasting, as even water fasters look upon us as crazy.

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Post by vouaobrasil »

holoduke wrote: post #61
marssaxman wrote: post #21

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I suppose you are welcome to judge people as you please, but essentially everyone who hikes, skis, climbs, kayaks, skates, surfs, runs, or plays any sort of contact sport will disagree with you.

Almost everyone who did sport on the highest level suffered irreversible damage. Of course modest training is very important and healthy in all aspects.

I think the seeking of fame through increasingly difficult challenges (such as advancing world records) is truly asinine.

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Post by RachelM71948937 »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #72
holoduke wrote: post #61

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Almost everyone who did sport on the highest level suffered irreversible damage. Of course modest training is very important and healthy in all aspects.

I think the seeking of fame through increasingly difficult challenges (such as advancing world records) is truly asinine.

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Post by f1shy »

lukan wrote: post #55
f1shy wrote: post #46

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That is 1/3 of the minerals you are supposed to get from water! It is recommended 6g of Na per day, which you will not get just from water.

Where do you get that from? No, it is the amount of minerals you are recommended to get during one day, no matter the source. And for Na the recommended ammount is 1.5 g (from D-A-CH) But in the example linked above, 1 l of the water gives 118 mg of Na, so 13 l of water would be needed to get the required Na amount. Not practical, but most mineral waters actually come rather with an artifically reduced amount of Na.…

The number comes from the NEJM. For low Na diet, 6g Na per day. I do not know any medical association called D-A-CH or any guidelines (Leitlinien or Richtlinien) which are universal for those countries; can you cite better? And 13l of water is not unpractical but poisonous. You just die.

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Post by lukan »

f1shy wrote: post #74
lukan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you get that from? No, it is the amount of minerals you are recommended to get during one day, no matter the source. And for Na the recommended ammount is 1.5 g (from D-A-CH) But in the example linked above, 1 l of the water gives 118 mg of Na, so 13 l of water would be needed to get the required Na amount. Not practical, but most mineral waters actually come rather with an artifically reduced amount of Na.…

The number comes from the NEJM. For low Na diet, 6g Na per day. I do not know any medical association called D-A-CH or any guidelines (Leitlinien or Richtlinien) which are universal for those countries; can you cite better? And 13l of water is not unpractical but poisonous. You just die.

In german:

https://www.dge.de/presse/meldungen/2011-2018/aktualisierte-...

The US FDA says 2300 g max.

https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-education-resources-mater...

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Post by f1shy »

lukan wrote: post #75
f1shy wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number comes from the NEJM. For low Na diet, 6g Na per day. I do not know any medical association called D-A-CH or any guidelines (Leitlinien or Richtlinien) which are universal for those countries; can you cite better? And 13l of water is not unpractical but poisonous. You just die.

In german: https://www.dge.de/presse/meldungen/2011-2018/aktualisierte-... The US FDA says 2300 g max. https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-education-resources-mater...

Ok Orientierungswert von 6 NaCl g/Tag. Which is 2.3g Na. Back to the beginning: trying to get that from water alone, ni matter how good publicity Eaainger hat, will kill you.

BTW the elefant in the room: getting some less than 2.3 g/day will kill a healthy person relatively quick, while a diet with well above 5g/day will be shedded by healthy individuals without any problem…

Re: 'Agua, Agua'

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Post by lukan »

f1shy wrote: post #76
lukan wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In german: https://www.dge.de/presse/meldungen/2011-2018/aktualisierte-... The US FDA says 2300 g max. https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-education-resources-mater...

Ok Orientierungswert von 6 NaCl g/Tag. Which is 2.3g Na. Back to the beginning: trying to get that from water alone, ni matter how good publicity Eaainger hat, will kill you. BTW the elefant in the room: getting some less than 2.3 g/day will kill a healthy person relatively quick, while a diet with well above 5g/day will be shedded by healthy individuals without any problem…

"Back to the beginning: trying to get that from water alone, ni matter how good publicity Eaainger hat, will kill you."

Depends on the water. All the water sold or the one from the tap is artifically reduced in Na.

A natural spring might not be and has high values. Or a well in the desert (they can be very salty).

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