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Re: The U.S. wanted to knock down Huawei. It's only getting stronger

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Post by selimthegrim » Mon, Aug 05, 2024, 11:31 PM UTC

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> Imagine China sanctions Intel with the intent of driving them out of key markets China increasingly is in the consumer market (where the 28nm nodes Chinese players can domestically produce are competitive). Chinese state agencies are phasing out Intel processors for domestic processors [0] and amendments to the CHIPS act increasingly restrict Intel and other grantees from purchasing Chinese intermediate parts [1],…

> The whole idea of the Sullivan Principle is to force Chinese players to spend more and more money but remaining the same distance apart (2 gen) [3]. The idea is Chinese players keep burning money building capacity, yet lagging behind relatively speaking, and that money could have been used for better applications by China. This sounds like a perspective from a finance/law person who doesn't understand how engineeri…

OK wonderful and why did East Germany need the West to come in and pick up and use their human capital effectively in the semiconductor industry?

Re: The U.S. wanted to knock down Huawei. It's only getting stronger

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Post by FooBarWidget » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 5:52 AM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #71

FooBarWidget wrote: post #31

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> The whole idea of the Sullivan Principle is to force Chinese players to spend more and more money but remaining the same distance apart (2 gen) [3]. The idea is Chinese players keep burning money building capacity, yet lagging behind relatively speaking, and that money could have been used for better applications by China. This sounds like a perspective from a finance/law person who doesn't understand how engineeri…

OK wonderful and why did East Germany need the West to come in and pick up and use their human capital effectively in the semiconductor industry?

What does that have to do with anything?

Re: The U.S. wanted to knock down Huawei. It's only getting stronger

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Post by selimthegrim » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 9:29 PM UTC

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OK wonderful and why did East Germany need the West to come in and pick up and use their human capital effectively in the semiconductor industry?

What does that have to do with anything?

I’m saying the argument has its limits in a state run/dirigiste/Communist system

Re: The U.S. wanted to knock down Huawei. It's only getting stronger

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Post by FooBarWidget » Wed, Aug 07, 2024, 3:39 AM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #73

FooBarWidget wrote: post #72

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What does that have to do with anything?

I’m saying the argument has its limits in a state run/dirigiste/Communist system

This is a lazy argument that put very different groups in the same bucket based merely on labeling. The only similarities between East Germany and China is that they've both had Soviet influences, but the commonalities end there. Everything else is different. The Chinese state run system is not at all comparable to the East Germany one.

I would go even further than that: the Chinese state run system is not one system. It differs per province, per company, and they constantly iterate the system based on what works and what doesn't. If more market orientation turns out to work, then they do more of that, while keeping the communist label. Today's state run system is a strong cooperation between public and private entities, different from the sensationalist stuff you read jn mainstream media. They're not the mindless static dogmatists that you seem to imply they are.