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How I got my laser eye injury

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Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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Safety guys always ruin the fun. I was in the Marine Corps and every time we got to test some new piece of gear the safety officer was like "No, you can't live fire it off the flight deck of the ship" or "No, not here, that village is down wind of the dust you will kick up when it goes off." No, that has a kill distance of 6 miles, you have to fire it into a hill." Blah, blah, blah. So after I got out I joined the Na…

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Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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I wonder what happened to literally everyone else present at this situation. That's beyond "Yikes!" territory.

Yes, I also dislike the culture in which this can be called a funny story. Such culture will cause more incidents. Worked in a laser lab for 5 years without incident in a time when eye safety goggles were not used for visible light.

> in a time when eye safety goggles were not used for visible light.

Also Yikes. Even with my low(ish) 1w-5w handhelds, it's self-evident that eye protection is needed when the beam travels less than a few yards.

Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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So, to clarify - what i have is a very nice IPG lightweld 1500 XR. They are normally not cheap (30k), and are very nice and well thought out safety wise. One of the fun parts when i lived in the bay area was that as companies got acquired, they didn't know what to do with the stuff they had before acquisition that isn't needed anymore, and it either sits in a warehouse, or gets auctioned off (or both!) So for example…

> So some of them in the lowest price range don't even require you touch the gun to metal before letting you fire, etc. Are you able to attach them to the heads of sharks?

If you can get them to stay still long enough, maybe.

Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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Why can't there be glasses with the different types layered together into one?

Because if you want to cover all possible lasers you'll block out the visible spectrum as well and won't see anything.

You can get some overlap tho. I have 520nm goggles that tone down 465nm.

Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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The sales guy set up the entire rig on his own? And no other engineers in the lab stopped to ask what he was doing? I know some places have poor safety culture, but this is a “laser company”. Basic laser safety should be drilled into them from day 1 and every day after. When I worked in an optics lab, we had interlocks on the doors that switched on with the power supply running the experiment and a sign outside indic…

It's pretty crazy that the sales guy was able to connect the water cooling and power with enough hosing and cables to bring it outside, as well as know how to operate the device enough to activate it - but couldn't correctly point it _at the ground_ and burn the paint off of the street without melting through a car. But forgetting that, what are the core safety issues described? I get the direct exposure to unprotect…

Not operating in a controlled environment, no curtains to block stray reflections, not ensuring your optic path is stable and clear of obstructions and reflective objects. Doesn’t sound like they had a beam block around for safety, nor did they first use a lower power visible laser to simulate beam path.

Re: How I got my laser eye injury

#77

Safety guys always ruin the fun. I was in the Marine Corps and every time we got to test some new piece of gear the safety officer was like "No, you can't live fire it off the flight deck of the ship" or "No, not here, that village is down wind of the dust you will kick up when it goes off." No, that has a kill distance of 6 miles, you have to fire it into a hill." Blah, blah, blah. So after I got out I joined the Na…

It's all fun and games until you walk in front of a live AESA radar and sterilize yourself.

Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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So I laser weld, and beyond my own PPE, interlocks (gun won't fire if it's not touching metal, etc), the most important part of the whole setup is laser safety curtains. Because it's a 2500 watt laser, if i didn't have laser safety curtains , the relections/etc could very easily blind someone at a fairly long distance. The NOHD (nominal ocular hazard distance) is something like 10km (2500 watt laser, 0.06mm spot size…

> (as for why i have a laser welder - i got it cheap

that's how a lot of good stories start

Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sales guy set up the entire rig on his own? And no other engineers in the lab stopped to ask what he was doing? I know some places have poor safety culture, but this is a “laser company”. Basic laser safety should be drilled into them from day 1 and every day after. When I worked in an optics lab, we had interlocks on the doors that switched on with the power supply running the experiment and a sign outside indic…

The guy was listed as a "sales engineer" which on first glance is the worst sort of oxymoron, everybody knows engineers make terrible salesmen[1]. But perhaps it could work, just take your sleaziest engineer, put them through an intensive indoctrination in chicanery and lies and you get a salesman who almost knows what he is talking about. 1. How do you know if the guy trying to sell you something is the engineer. Th…

My dad was such an engineer doing sales, of industrial components. Grew up on a farm, engineering degree, very honest type churchgoer and family man, and in his spare time DIY projects like a classic engineer type. I'm sure he'd know when something would or wouldn't work, and would candidly tell the customer about any problems or risks. (In this case, maybe honest as much as an engineer personally bothered by design flaws.)

I've also seen a different kind of engineer in sales, where they're paired long-term with salespeople. They sit in on sales meetings as a technical expert, and also do things like customizations and integrations. I suppose the presence of the salesperson helps suppress the engineer's inclination to start riffing on every flaw, but the pairing retains the engineer ability to help the customer be successful with the product.

Re: How I got my laser eye injury

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Safety guys always ruin the fun. I was in the Marine Corps and every time we got to test some new piece of gear the safety officer was like "No, you can't live fire it off the flight deck of the ship" or "No, not here, that village is down wind of the dust you will kick up when it goes off." No, that has a kill distance of 6 miles, you have to fire it into a hill." Blah, blah, blah. So after I got out I joined the Na…

> that village is down wind of the dust you will kick up when it goes off.

I'm always happy to hear that there are people saying these sorts of things in the military. I'm sorry it wasn't fun at the time, but the Safety Officer really was looking out for you. You really don't want to be the unexpected cautionary tale, like Bob.

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