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Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

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Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

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“should be allowed”, in practice, means “should be forced”, since it means saying no to the huge collection of devices (TVs, computers, tablets, nintendos etc) that prevent boredom.

You could argue by providing those things you’re forcing them into perpetual stimulation. It’s a matter of perspective. The difference is that like sugar, unless we’re using our rationality to override the impulse, we’ll always pick stimulation though that’s not necessarily healthy.

I’m a geek. My kids are geeks. To not provide them access to a computer because there’s bad addictive things on computers is like not teaching kids to read because there’s harmful books.

In reality, things are never so black and white. When I tell my kids “no youtube, no gaming, but you’re allowed to use Scratch” there’s a risk they’re just browse scratch’s endless catalog of games made by others, plenty of which are impressively fun. So then I gotta say no to that too. But then my youngest wants to use Scratch with a youtube tutorial. That’s fine right? Well yes it is but it also means there’s the addictive recommendation cycle right there on the screen too. He’s not allowed to click on them but that’s hard to resist etc etc. It’s all solvable but it’s all very nuanced and makers of apps and platforms (including MIT) actively work against you at every step.

My theory is that every person in this thread who thinks this is simple doesn’t have children. It’s simple in the abstract and super messy in reality.

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

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I feel the destructive behaviour of bored kids is forgotten a bit. Growing up in the late 70s early 80s we were kicked out of the house until dinner. We did a lot of really dangerous things exploring. Among these, -Playing in storm drains. Inside the narrow tunnels I might add. -Abandoned construction sites. -Railway tracks. Putting things o the rails waiting for the train to see what happened. Everything from rocks…

> Putting things on the rails waiting for the train to see what happened. Everything from rocks [...]

What happened / happens? I've always wondered.

I guess the rock gets crushed?

What about trams, where the rails are instead submerged in a "crack" in the ground?

We did dumpster diving too and playing with fire :-)

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

#73

I feel the destructive behaviour of bored kids is forgotten a bit. Growing up in the late 70s early 80s we were kicked out of the house until dinner. We did a lot of really dangerous things exploring. Among these, -Playing in storm drains. Inside the narrow tunnels I might add. -Abandoned construction sites. -Railway tracks. Putting things o the rails waiting for the train to see what happened. Everything from rocks…

Yep, and this attitude led to what's called today "helicopter parenting" I believe.

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

#75
post #51

That we need an expert to understand that (and other trivial things) is a failure of common sense

OK, but the hard part is for care givers to overcome the period where the kid bothers the adults about his boredom.

Screens are a so simple solution. And it's so hard to block them.

https://www.3-6-9-12.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/flyer-ap...

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

#76
Same goes for adults. There's no way to get bored anymore, unless you turn your smartphone/tablet/computer off. There's a never ending stream of news, posts on social platforms, video streams, podcasts, stealing the time to think about things which could improve your life.

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

#77

For my own kids when they are bored there is a flow of requests. First they ask if they can watch TV. Then they ask if they play video games. Then they ask if they can goto a friends house that they like. Then they ask if they can see a neighbor kid who they are kinda meh about. If I keep saying no to all the distractions they typically will enter a complainy phase about how they are bored, but after a bit of boredom…

> Then they ask if they can goto a friends house that they like.

The friends house where they will get TV or video games.

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

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post #76

Same goes for adults. There's no way to get bored anymore, unless you turn your smartphone/tablet/computer off. There's a never ending stream of news, posts on social platforms, video streams, podcasts, stealing the time to think about things which could improve your life.

> There's no way to get bored anymore

> stealing the time to think about things which could improve your life

I don't think those two are the same.

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

#79
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about not allowing kids to be bored. This is about them wanting parents to create situations when kids are bored (by preventing their access to electronics specifically). As in, boredom nowdays requires additional work on the side of parents.

Dad, can I bring my iPad? Me: no Dad, my iPad is dead. Can I use your phone? Me: no And so forth. Not hard.

Dad, can I have an tablet/smartphone for birthday/Christmas?

Me: no

Re: Children should be allowed to get bored (2013)

#80
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without phones and connectivity

Anecdotally, I just took a long vacation in a country without much cell connectivity, and had a great time. It was very eye opening. But ever since coming back, I've been extremely unmotivated to work. I'm not sure if this counts as work burnout, but I'm sure the vacation had an impact.

Where's this. My first thought was North Korea, I wonder if people there are hella creative, but I guess sadly they're too busy doing things the medieval way to have free time.

Second guess is Mongolia, where the steppes go on and on forever...

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