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Is Steve Ballmer the Most Underrated CEO of the 21st Century?

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Re: Is Steve Ballmer the Most Underrated CEO of the 21st Century?

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He was entrepreneurial, in summary his strength. He convinced shareholders to part with potential dividends and invested in new things. There's little excuse for company like Microsoft generating so much cash not to be doing so.

Mixed bag: Xbox 360 - success Vista - fail Windows 7 - success Zune - fail Windows phone - fail Azure - success

Similar story for Zuckerberg. Lucky with Facebook. Thereafter ensured he had a finger in every pie. One minute he's a bad bet with his quixotic expenditure on AR/VR, and the next minute he's a genius with his investment in AI (Llama).

At the end of the day, it pays to have your finger in many pies. Money makes money.

Re: Is Steve Ballmer the Most Underrated CEO of the 21st Century?

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jack welch ?

> jack welch ? Perhaps when he was actually still at GE, but after his retirement, it is now know that GE did all sorts of 'sideways accounting': * https://www.sec.gov/enforcement-litigation/litigation-releas... So he is no longer viewed as highly as he once was: * https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/vqr30e/jack_...

Cutthroat capitalism existed long before Jack, that top reddit comment is quite the thing. Carnegie was a wanker, Ford was a wanker, Sloan, the list could go on and on.

I teach business all day every day and I only reach for Jack to teach "Fix, Sell, or Close" - In terms of clinical business he was right, in order to focus fully on the customer, the business units need to be empowered and pushed to be 1 or 2 in their given segment. They should have all the resource and time they need to focus fully on the customer problems. Out of the 70s GE had become quite unwieldy, he did a great job of re-focusing the resources where they could be best used.

I also think talking to how they engineered their finances without looking at the whole picture is a bit unfair. GE was in a bad place when he took over, it was way over extended doing a meh job generally. He surly needed cash to 1. refocus the business 2. expand research and innovation into the areas left (jets and healthcare primarily) 3. implement a large scale global expansion.

Should you do channel stuffing or bill and hold? No. Even worse: when you blur it into your reporting, that is just asking for SEC enforcement. Is there a better way to do it? Yes. Were they being sloppy? Yes. If it really was part of saving GE, should they have done it? Well, I'll leave that to you dear reader. :)

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I think the current CEO is definitely a good one. I just wish one CEO would finally focus on making Windows less awful for power users. Let us turn off all the useless garbage and have offline accounts. I'll personally pay more to do so. Give power users the OS they want. Curious why Ballmer is coming up lately, did something happen with him?

What you’re asking is not specific to power users. I have never seen a single user, “power” or not, saying they like ads and privacy invasions embedded in their OS.

Sure, but if they market it to power users, I'll take that as a win. Right now they're not targeting such a thing to any users. Until then, I'll stay on Linux, and buy Mac or Linux exclusive devices.

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I'd love to have Ballmer back. The Microsoft products I use (Windows) have become increasingly crappified under current leadership.

Ballmer was there when Longhorn/Vista happened.

Longhorn was a failure born of ambition.

W10-11's failures' are born of greed.

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During Ballmer's tenure, the Office division spent a lot of resources building apps for iOS. Ballmer saw a demo, realized that they were better than the Office apps available on Microsoft's own phones and tablets, and so blocked the release. The company sat on the apps for multiple years . When Nadella came on, one of his first decisions as CEO was to release them to the public. This single incident perfectly demonst…

Meh, I don't see how Nadella's "vision" is praiseworthy either: * their flagship OS is more and more a spyware platform * Windows Server is pretty much a rarity these days outside of large corporate deployments. Anybody has seen MS SQL recently? * Azure seems to have reached its peak mind share, mostly pushed by free credits * Their gaming division mainly lives on Game Pass, while XBox is further and further away fro…

Not that I personally use it, but Azure seems pretty relevant and Microsoft's financials seem pretty decent. I'll give you that Microsoft on the client-side does seem like a legacy installed base--albeit a big one. But client-side growth is pretty much a niche these days outside of mobile and, yes, Microsoft lost that.

However, generally, I could name a number of companies that descended into legacy irrelevance (not a few of which were acquired by Broadcom) but I wouldn't put Microsoft into that category at this point.

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I can think of nobody who rates him highly. Even among Googlers when he first took the role we were all like... really?

Google investors do

I think they rate Ruth Porat high, is all.

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> Where is Skype now? A good chunk of Teams’ backend is built on top of Skype. Not sure about the present day, but just a few years ago, you could see tons of references to Skype in the Teams’ codebase.

Still can, Skype was rebranded into a more successful product, but the backend has ton of legacy Skype work inside it still.

There is zero Skype legacy in Teams. Skype P2P model was rewritten after acquisition to enable spying.

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Having worked on mobile there 2008-2011: no, I would say he’s properly rated. Had years head start on the Android model (hackable OS+vendors+wide HW support), and threw it away. Chased iPhone model briefly without the commitment to actually win. Took smartphone market share from 20-30% to 0% when it mattered most. Invested more in XBox and Business intelligence platforms.

> Invested more in XBox and Business intelligence platforms. Both of which turned out to be the right move long term. Mobile is a commoditized winner takes all market, and there's no guarantee MS would have won even if they concentrated entirely on it. Concentrating on BI platforms helped spawn M365, and the Enterprise focus helped spawn MS Azure which had very early Product-Market Fit at the Fed because they became…

>There's way more money in Enterprise B2B than there is in B2C.

Apple would like a word--although arguably their B2C success translated into B2B in a world where corporations increasingly didn't just dictate employee gear decisions.

But to your other point, Microsoft (though I credit this more to Nadella than Ballmer) were absolutely able to parlay Microsoft's enterprise strength to Azure in government/enterprise which AWS didn't really get at first and Google was even slower to do.

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"Steve Ballmer played a powerful part in Microsoft’s comeback" (2019): * https://qz.com/1551842/steve-ballmer-played-a-powerful-part-... "Satya Nadella credits Steve Ballmer for pushing Microsoft into the cloud": * https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/satya-nadella-credits-ballme... I think the biggest knock against Ballmer was not being able to figure out a (smart)phone strategy that ended up working. Having more than ju…

Mobile 8 was not compatible with Mobile 7. You can't go around and change interfaces when companies are betting the barn on you. For Windows proper you can release and deprecate a GUI every 20 minutes because there is always Win32 to fall back to. But when you are bootstrapping an entire eco-system you can't muck around like that. Also strategic blunder to buy Nokia and then do exactly nothing with it. Linux was stil…

That sounds a bit generous to Nokia, Maemo to me seemed more screwed into bureaucratic hell with Moblin/Meego partnerships...

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People on HN still remark on how much they liked their Windows Phone. Other than making a product so great that, decades later, people are still saying how much they miss it, what did you want him to do?

They do? I used to see it used as a punchline often but it seems to have faded into complete irrelevance the past few years.

I miss mine. They were far better at smartphone things than Android still is today.
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