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Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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I think the most important part of getting "real" engineered meat to market, even if it's hella expensive is it again shifts the conversation.

Once people consider an engineered meat, they might consider an enhanced mycelium for a tenth the price for their daily protein requirements.

I think all these products will develop over time but engineered meat will always have cost against it. Too many sensitive processes.

Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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I sincerely hope not. I have incisor teeth passed down to me from generation upon generation of my previous kin all the way back to my stoneage ancestors. Incisors are specifically designed for tearing and ripping meat. I eat real meat!

Oh, yes, look at the incisors on a rabbit for instance. Huge, clearly rabbits are terrifying predators.

I remember that documentary. The one with the Famous Historian.

;)

Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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The idea of cultured meat sounds wonderful. Its real meat, but without the guilt. But there is the cold reality of enshittification and the numerous sketchy practices of the industrial food industry. So one has to make a choice: the traditional "Iowa" meat industrial complex or the new "valley bro" meat industrial one? For now at least I feel safer with the former.

For the sake of completeness : one also have the choice to not eating meat, with sub choices of various nutriments sources from wholegrain to heavily industrial processed stuff.

Yes indeed. There are many choices. One is to switch to a different meat, one is to cut down, one is to give it up.

My point is only that if one chooses to continue to eat meat, then one has to decide which of the two industrial complexes, neither exactly known for their transparency and honesty, is the better choice. The cliff or the abyss. Vegetarianism or veganism will be the only rational choice for some, but not all.

Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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Why? I like food and sex and raising my children. I _am_ an animal, even if I have mastered fire and language and agriculture.

Well, what has this to do with killing animals? How did someone say? To kill someone, cut off his head and build a nice vase out of it is called culture. To have to go to prison for it is called civilization. Besides that, raising animals for meat is terrible energy inefficient.

Raising animals for meat is not energy inefficient. Those cows control the grasses and help with natural succession of trees and shrubs, while fertilizing the soil and providing nutrients for many animals. It costs literally nothing to leave a cow in a field, and it makes the field better.

What's energy inefficient is trying to grow a thousand cows in a feedlot.

Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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There is quite the difference between slaughtering an animal for food, and murder. Do you disagree?

Given the existence of delicious foods not made of meat, the difference is one of law, and of which of the major world religions' ethical norms you follow.

Well now that you've clearly stated that this is a religious issue for you, I see little opportunity in actually having a protective conversation. Have a great day.

Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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Billions in foreign aid certainly helps

The foreign aid is mostly dealing with the fact that Israel is surrounded by hostile countries. Those countries are also hostile to the US, so it's really paying Israel to be its toe hold in the Middle East. That is a deeply uncomfortable relationship for a whole lot of reasons. But it's mainly aimed at the military. The country is otherwise pretty wealthy on its own terms. It's got a GDP per capita of $55k per perso…

>European level of culture.

And European dual citizens too. And unchecked immigration quota, Based on ethinicity. The founding itself shows the effect of unchecked immigration facilitated by a colonial superpower, viz UK.

The two neighbouring countries, Jordan And Egypt has been US allies. Both have bilateral, and trilateral agreements on peace.

Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the existence of delicious foods not made of meat, the difference is one of law, and of which of the major world religions' ethical norms you follow.

Well now that you've clearly stated that this is a religious issue for you, I see little opportunity in actually having a protective conversation. Have a great day.

> for you

No, not for me, for Bhuddists (I think they regard all life as sacred), and (depending on the animal and if mere prohibition rather than the justification for that prohibition is important) Jews, Muslims, and Hindus.

Hence saying "which".

Re: Is Cultivated Meat for Real?

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"I eat real meat!" Cultivated meat IS real meat from meat cells, it is not a meat imitation based on soy, wheat or whatever. Potentially much safer. Think of dead zombie disease or suspected cancer risk of beef. https://www.gesundheitsindustrie-bw.de/en/article/news/new-p... https://publichealth.gmu.edu/news/2024-03/should-you-be-worr... Why do animals have to suffer for our meat supply? “As long as there are slaught…

Animals are part of this thing called the cycle of life that has been going on since near the beginning of the earth and will go on long after humanity has faded to dust. Being eaten is normal, it's part of how ecosystems are regulated, and everything dies anyhow so why not be a meal on the way out so that something else can live. If you want to direct your rage somewhere, direct it at the people who force these anim…

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