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Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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I still cannot believe Amazon convinced people to install 1984 surveillance in their homes, much less pay for it, for whatever trivial conveniences the stupid thing offers. It's not Amazon's fault but it's just strange to me how sideways our culture is that it's considered normal to let a corporation have unfettered access to your private space and pay them for being there. I get the tradeoff with smartphones...at le…

I'll explain in Steve Jobs language:

A voice assistant, a home automation controller, and an internet-connected speaker. Are you getting it? These are not three separate devices. This is one device!

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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That "Downstream impact" metric sounds like a big yikes. Massive incentives to game that metric and before you know it you've got 10 projects all claiming credit for some theoretical downstream impact all of which are actually just canabalizing existing revenue. Like, Amazon is doing $5Bn of revenue selling tide pods, the Alexa team make some claim about people's likeliness to order tide pods via the Alexa and before…

Downstream impact is gamed internally at Amazon. People crucified Sears for making teams compete internally but that’s literally what’s happening at Amazon at a larger scale. Teams and orgs regularly push back against helping each other. Will not waste resources to help others. I don’t believe Amazon has a good outlook over 5 years unless they get lucky with random bets. They no longer innovate, they just copy and tr…

I think even if Amazon stagnates, servicing that core business at scale is a once in a generation moat.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

#73

I still cannot believe Amazon convinced people to install 1984 surveillance in their homes, much less pay for it, for whatever trivial conveniences the stupid thing offers. It's not Amazon's fault but it's just strange to me how sideways our culture is that it's considered normal to let a corporation have unfettered access to your private space and pay them for being there. I get the tradeoff with smartphones...at le…

> I have a finger for that.

You have to get your finger to the switch.

> It can tell me the weather? I can open the curtains and look outside.

That doesn’t tell you the weather today, just the weather right now.

> It can deliver counterfeit garbage to my house? No thanks.

Garbage often is sufficient. I don’t need good quality goods in most cases.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

#74

I still cannot believe Amazon convinced people to install 1984 surveillance in their homes, much less pay for it, for whatever trivial conveniences the stupid thing offers. It's not Amazon's fault but it's just strange to me how sideways our culture is that it's considered normal to let a corporation have unfettered access to your private space and pay them for being there. I get the tradeoff with smartphones...at le…

What a weird take.

What can a phone do for me, I can tap my finger a few times to send a message over telegram.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does shopping with one even work in practice? Most items I buy on Amazon require careful scrutiny to make sure I’m getting the right thing. What I want is almost never the first result. This is true even in areas that feel like they should be easy, like video games.

It's great for repeat items. Stuff I've bought before I need more of. Buy "X" and the first item is the thing I've bought before. I use it that way when I know I need it, but I don't want to forget. So I just say it, and it's done and I don't need to remember or record it somewhere or pull out a phone or what have you. I use it sometimes for new items, usually when I know what I want and I specify brand. If it's not…

But they jack up the prices every few months, right? You can get the original at the original price, but from the new vendor “OUFIOU”…

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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Just an hour ago I asked Alexa

"Is negative ten an even number?" and was shocked when it said

"No, minus ten is a negative number and is not even"

I asked again and the reply was exactly the same. Variations of the question still resulted in

'negative numbers cannot be even or odd'

I checked again 20 minutes later and it then gave me correct answers to the exact same questions. I deeply want Alexa to fail as a product. It is constantly objectively wrong and should not be used for anything important.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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We have several Alexa devices. We use them all the time and for a wide variety of purposes. By any rational, actual customer-connected metric, they are a wild success in this and similar homes.

This is an example of Amazon not actually letting the smartest people into the room. We do vast amounts of our shopping via Amazon, but that's through the app and website even when we manage the shopping lists/etc via Alexa. We're not going to do that directly through the robot. We're never going to do that directly through the robot. Anyone who proposed billions in R&D investments hanging on the delusion that we will do that through the robot, instead of paying attention to the things we are all actively actually doing every single day, should have already been moved along.

We don't need to shop like that.

We do need the hundred other things we do every day, and those are things Alexa currently does vastly better than the competition. The Prime stuff, the Kindle stuff, the dozen other Amazon-related things we do, are certainly further embedded into our lives by the fact of the Alexas.

Their real problem is the sudden closing of the gap, which is nearly certain to occur in the next year or two.

TLDR: "Amazon says you're using it wrong. Doesn't know how to count."

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does shopping with one even work in practice? Most items I buy on Amazon require careful scrutiny to make sure I’m getting the right thing. What I want is almost never the first result. This is true even in areas that feel like they should be easy, like video games.

For those that do have an Alexa, how does this work? Do you have to haggle with Alexa, and then it picks from the different sellers that meets your haggling? It seems like a much longer conversation is needed than "Alexa, add Tide Pods to my list" as Amazon propaganda wants you to believe.

If you say "add Tide Pods" then it adds the most popular listing of Tide Pods, shipped and sold by Amazon to your cart. Which is how 98% of people buy stuff on Amazon already.

You may have to specify a quantity but if you're adding detergent, paper towels or whatever else popular, name brand item it's pretty straight forward.

Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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I still cannot believe Amazon convinced people to install 1984 surveillance in their homes, much less pay for it, for whatever trivial conveniences the stupid thing offers. It's not Amazon's fault but it's just strange to me how sideways our culture is that it's considered normal to let a corporation have unfettered access to your private space and pay them for being there. I get the tradeoff with smartphones...at le…

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Re: Alexa is in millions of households and Amazon is losing billions

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We have several Alexa devices. We use them all the time and for a wide variety of purposes. By any rational, actual customer-connected metric, they are a wild success in this and similar homes. This is an example of Amazon not actually letting the smartest people into the room. We do vast amounts of our shopping via Amazon, but that's through the app and website even when we manage the shopping lists/etc via Alexa. W…

What do you use yours for? Mine’s little more than a fancy voice-activated light switch.

Fully agree on the point about not shopping through Alexa. Basic questions are misinterpreted in sometimes hilarious ways.

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