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Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by istjohn »

roywiggins wrote: post #27
janpmz wrote: post #17

Recently I've learned that half of the people are slow caffein metabolizers. The caffein stays longer in their system and it might negatively affect their sleep. Considering how many people drink coffee, I think a lot of people are affected by this.

I suspect I am an unusually fast metabolizer, since I can be tipped over into very nasty withdrawal headaches extremely easily, even when my baseline consumption is a couple of smallish coffees in a day. The only way I've found to fix this is to get almost completely off it, which as you might imagine I find very difficult to do, since I have to step down very carefully.

I'm not a regular drinker and even a coke after 11 am means I'm going to have a late night. It's frustrating how often there are no caffeine-free diet soda options.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

themaninthedark wrote: post #41
velcrovan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people should be able to do what they want with their time. I don’t think people should have to sell their labor for a wage in order to live. I wonder what happens to your opinions about caffeine in a society where owners have little to no leverage over workers, or where the workers are generally also the owners.

I agree, we should structure society so that people don't have to sell their labor to live merely that they choose to do so. We should give those who choose not to sell their labor the ability to go and live without buying and consuming the labor of others.

Unfortunately, there is almost nowhere on earth where a Hunter-gatherer can survive any more. The few remaining have been pushed to the very edge of survival by agriculturalists taking all the best land.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #50
austin-cheney wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All stimulants enhance some functions to some degree, so that is a poor metric of value. Cocaine, for example, temporarily boosts intelligence, but consuming cocaine is not recommended.

I heard investment bankers rely on it from the 90s. How addictive it is?

in my experience, not very addictive at all. But at the same time, I didn't have easy access to it, and I was already heavily addicted to amphetamines at the time, so maybe my experience isn't typical. But I was able to do some, wait a few days, do some more, etc. With amphetamines, If I had them, I was taking em all day every day.

Also when you do the math on what a coke habit costs to maintain, its mind boggling. I think that in and of its self prevents a lot of would-be coke heads from establishing a habit.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by gunapologist99 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #68
nikanj wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do joke about being dangerous without their morning coffee, but I have yet to see a coffee addict breaking into vehicles to score their morning fix. Also I have never had to worry someone is going to mug my loved ones to get some quick cash for a double-double. And have you ever heard of someone who skips important appointments because they stayed out getting high on caffeine instead Pretending caffeine is as…

Only drugs that have artificially high prices caused by having no legal source lead to addicts committing crime to find their habit. Caffeine and alcohol are cheap and easily available.

With all due respect, I wouldn't commit any crimes if caffeine was suddenly illegal. I'd have headaches for a few days and that'd be it.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by m0llusk »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #32
ilaksh wrote: post #30

I love my caffeine. But caffeine is an addictive, highly profitable substance. So advertising it and trying to promote it as somehow having real health benefits is widespread. I would not be surprised if routine consumption of caffeine was at least mildly detrimental to health. I think some drugs have managed to gain a special place in our society . Advertising and lobbying warps our perception of these drugs. I even…

Alcohol reduces functions, caffeine clearly enhances functions. If caffeine was involved in nearly all violent crime like alcohol is, we would think differently of it.

It is not clear that a boost to speed is always an enhancement. Really deep expression and learning often involves slowing down.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

nikanj wrote: post #44
ilaksh wrote: post #30

I love my caffeine. But caffeine is an addictive, highly profitable substance. So advertising it and trying to promote it as somehow having real health benefits is widespread. I would not be surprised if routine consumption of caffeine was at least mildly detrimental to health. I think some drugs have managed to gain a special place in our society . Advertising and lobbying warps our perception of these drugs. I even…

People do joke about being dangerous without their morning coffee, but I have yet to see a coffee addict breaking into vehicles to score their morning fix. Also I have never had to worry someone is going to mug my loved ones to get some quick cash for a double-double. And have you ever heard of someone who skips important appointments because they stayed out getting high on caffeine instead Pretending caffeine is as…

This is what the drug war has done to our minds.

People would absolutely be burglarizing homes to feed their caffeine habit if caffeine wasn't dirt cheap due to the free market. If it were legal to produce meth your local meth-head would not be raiding your house for copper because it would be cheap enough that his minimum wage job could support his habit.'

And frankly I've showed up to important events absolutely fucking geeked on caffeine, feeling like complete dogshit, but because caffeine use is normalized no one bats an eye.

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by whamlastxmas »

iamleppert wrote: post #77

I've sad it before, and I'll say it again: the human body is not meant to ingest any other liquid than pure, filtered water.

Breast milk and the million sources of liquid in the foods we eat disagrees

Re: Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chronic sleep restriction

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Post by wildzzz »

kkielhofner wrote: post #53
ilaksh wrote: post #30

I love my caffeine. But caffeine is an addictive, highly profitable substance. So advertising it and trying to promote it as somehow having real health benefits is widespread. I would not be surprised if routine consumption of caffeine was at least mildly detrimental to health. I think some drugs have managed to gain a special place in our society . Advertising and lobbying warps our perception of these drugs. I even…

> highly profitable substance Yes and no. I've been a fan of caffeine pills for years. They are very cheap, readily available (portable), and most importantly to me offer completely consistent dosing. With caffeine pills I'm able to ensure I stay below the FDA recommended maximum daily intake of 400 mg (worst case). Another fun bonus - when a physician asks you what your caffeine intake is and you respond in milligra…

My wife uses caffeine pills on occasion but I prefer energy drinks most mornings alongside something like toast. Obviously more expensive but the drink has a slower come-up (likely due to the extra water and food). Whenever I do take pills instead, I'm in a rush so I'm not drinking more water than necessary and definitely not eating anything. I like the Celsius drink mixes since I can put one in my water bottle and dose slowly over the course of the morning but they aren't that much cheaper than buying a case of cans. Coffee is definitely the cheapest energy drink available and I suppose instant coffee is probably the quickest and cheapest. I like coffee but I'm not a huge coffee drinker. I would love to be able to buy a jar of instant energy drink of a inoffensive flavor and be able to toss a couple scoops in my bottle. I've tried to do this with caffeine pills but the caffeine powder doesn't mix well with cold water.

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Post by TeaBrain »

ta988 wrote: post #65
velcrovan wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, ask the people who work at Mondragon. https://www.mondragon-corporation.com/en/about-us/

care to explain?

They were trying to be irrelevantly clever. Mondragon is a worker cooperative, where workers are the "owners".
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