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Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#71
I think this is a snake oil, but since (as other commenters mentioned) it seems to bring benefits even though it’s mediocre game I have another question.

Would it be possible that ANY video game has a positive effect on ADHD?

I’m wondering because usually games reward focus and provide plethora of stimulus both visually and auditory.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#72
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Here's a video of a doctor playing the game along with sort of an explanation of how it works and is meant to do. I'd be curious to know how much this costs for patients. I'm guessing it's some type of a subscription model. https://youtube.com/watch?v=qkhSLr6DlWc

Watching the video, it's not really clear how this game is substantially different than a normal mobile game. What is the actual mechanism here for treating ADHD?

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#73

I'm extremely skeptical. I've yet to see a treatment for ADHD that is only effective on children 8-17. If their product actually worked, I'm sure they wouldn't want to exclude the massive market of adults with ADHD. I'm also opposed to any medical device that uses a cell phone or requires a download from an app store. At that point you're handing over at least some amount of medical information to an ad company, usin…

They do have the 'adult version' at https://www.endeavorotc.com/

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#74
“More than one-third (36.6%) of adults with ADHD moved into the non-clinical, or normative, range (TOVA ACS score of >0)”- https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230503005295/en/Adu...

So about as effective as a placebo or sugar pill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#75

Stimulant medication for ADHD has the highest effect size in all of psychiatry. ADHD is highly treatable, when people are properly treated. This just feels like something that somebody made for the parents who are pathologically drug averse at the expense of their children. Of course, the parents don’t realize that their kids don’t get that development time back, so the longer they wait, the harder things can get for…

Nonstimulant medication is also very effective, but with the caveat that it takes longer to kick in. The second caveat is that it’s devoid of any recreational value during the startup period, which has an outsized effect on people’s perception of the medication “working”. Stimulant medication tends to be favorably accepted at first (for entirely unsurprising reasons, even though some people don’t experience quite the…

Which non-stimulant medication do you have in mind?

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#77
>The current cost for EndeavorRx is $99 for a 30 day prescription.

Why is everything subscription based nowadays? Even without a subscription $99 would seem a lot to me. I guess because something something server costs and update development? Or is it just plain greed?

PS: Programming is absolutely fantastic, too, when you have ADHD (an probably even if you don't have it). It also doesn't cost a dime and there is plenty of content available for free. Might give that one a shot! Works wonders for me

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#78

Stimulant medication for ADHD has the highest effect size in all of psychiatry. ADHD is highly treatable, when people are properly treated. This just feels like something that somebody made for the parents who are pathologically drug averse at the expense of their children. Of course, the parents don’t realize that their kids don’t get that development time back, so the longer they wait, the harder things can get for…

Nonstimulant medication is also very effective, but with the caveat that it takes longer to kick in. The second caveat is that it’s devoid of any recreational value during the startup period, which has an outsized effect on people’s perception of the medication “working”. Stimulant medication tends to be favorably accepted at first (for entirely unsurprising reasons, even though some people don’t experience quite the…

I would be surprised if even 10% of people taking therapeutic doses of stimulant ADHD meds experience euphoria. IME the noticeable effect of taking 10mg of methylphenidate was that I could stand in my open plan office and not have every word of a dozen conversations invade my consciousness constantly. If I was working in an environment designed to allow people to focus on their work, I probably would not have noticed any effects at all.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

#79

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>The key is to find a hard, less captivating book and just power your way through it... This is a lot like saying that the way to treat a broken leg is to just start running on it and not have it be broken anymore.

Unironically yes. Neuroplasticity means that that is exactly a way to improve brain function. Not perfect, not universal, not the only way, but absolutely a working approach. (Obvious disclaimer: Not a doctor, not your doctor, this is not medical advice.)

Unironically wrong. That’s like saying the key to a kid being good at calculus is skipping the silly arithmetic and geometry topics and taking a calculus course.

Re: Doctor-prescribed videogame for ADHD

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Caffeine builds physical dependence easier than amphetamine, AFAIK

Is caffeine strong enough to have any serious effect on ADHD? It barely touches my concentration difficulties.

Yes, but you end up taking doses where the physical side effects are disruptive to your routine. If you have concentration difficulties, you should see a psychiatrist.
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