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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by joshlemer » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:15 PM UTC

atlas_hugged wrote: post #33

seniorivn wrote: post #23

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They are a hostile dictatorship, with zero resources but their oppressed people. Why would USA be interested in allying with them?

Their government is hostile like a friend’s chihuahua. It will make it known it doesn’t like you, but it ain’t going to do anything about it because it can’t. The people on the other hand are truly wonderful human beings that would love to be able to have visitors or visit other countries themselves. Who cares if some politicians feelings get hurt. People want to be free to do what they want in a supposedly free coun…

> it ain’t going to do anything about it because it can’t

And, it can't because it's too poor to be able to do anything, which is partly a result of the sanctions.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by forrestthewoods » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:16 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

> Are there any countries other than the US that has a strong negative opinion on Cuba?

It appears that Cubans have a strong negative opinion on Cuba.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:16 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by LtWorf » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:16 PM UTC

brigadier132 wrote: post #62

vundercind wrote: post #27

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Ah. So uk should sanction the whole USA, on account of that revolution that costed some people something?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:18 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

Most Americans don’t think about Cuba at all, and it definitely isn’t in the news very much (as far as I know, I cut most TV years ago). However, there are lots of Batista supporters and their descendants in Florida. They are politically influential given Florida is an important swing state.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by valicord » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:18 PM UTC

brigadier132 wrote: post #62

vundercind wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

In this scenario, should everyone born in the same city as you be punished for your crimes?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by martindbp » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:18 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

> With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your country's media and propaganda can significantly colour your opinions.

What? 10% of a country leaving in one year tells you what Cubans think of Cuba. That's not propaganda, that's fact. On the contrary, it seems like you have some kind of preconceived notion of that life in Cuba is in fact not that bad (poor but laid back perhaps?), but if that were true people would not leave would they?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by LtWorf » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:19 PM UTC

astromaniak wrote: post #42

giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…

> Cuba would be a great travel destination There are many similar destinations, and all of them are still poor. Besides, Cuba has already tourists from Canada and Europe. My guess their best chance is to start manufacturing for cheap. Close to US makes them more competitive. But for this to happen commies government has to go.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by logicchains » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:20 PM UTC

LtWorf wrote: post #68

stackskipton wrote: post #37

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There seems to be a belief that if sanctions remain THIS YEAR, regime change will come to Cuba. It didn't work. Well, NEXT YEAR they will, they have to! Repeat for 50 years. Most people fleeing Cuba blame current regime for their suffering with good reason. So they have a desire to see it overthrown.

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Nobody made south America poor; like every continent poverty was the natural state. South America just did a worse job at developing the infrastructure, rule of law, institutions and culture necessary to lift itself out of poverty as fast as north America.

With the exception of Argentina, which after WW2 was one of the richest countries in the world, but through bad political choices ended up impoverishing itself.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by SR2Z » Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:20 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #53

It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

> Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea.

The only reason it's NOT North Korea is the fact that it "allows" its people to flee to the United States, where by law they may become American citizens.

Cuba has extremely effective propaganda - folks forget that it's actually a dictatorship which severely limits freedom of speech and brutally cracks down on protest. Wikipedia has a great page "Foreign interventions by Cuba."

Not all that much worse than China, but with the misfortune of bordering the US and not being powerful enough to stand without access to regional trade.