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Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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I was looking at this when I upgraded and that setting does not need to be there. If it was off by default, no one would feel the need to locate that check box and enable it. So just turn it off, remove it from settings and yank the code. The language is even rather vague and Mozilla seems to good a long way to avoid explaining that this is the alternative Google has designed for Chrome to replace tracking via third…

This is not the same as Protected Audience API which Mozilla have been very critical about [0], this is something they have worked on with Meta over the past couple of years. If you press the read more button there you go to this page [1] that explains it more. 0: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/googles-protect... 1: https://support.mozilla.org/da/kb/privacy-preserving-attribu...

> this is something they have worked on with Meta over the past couple of years

The farmers working with the wolf on a feature to "help" the sheep.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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The scare quotes here are uncalled for: it is privacy-preserving. The approach allows measurement without disclosing who, specifically, did what with the ad. The best objection to these proposals isn't privacy, it's that a browser vendor is lifting a finger for advertisers. I guess the fundamental question there is if we prefer to outright shut down online advertising, or give it the tools it needs to be less bad. Op…

My problem with this is that ideally, software I deign to run on my computer acts with only my interests in mind. The overarching goal of these changes is not to preserve my privacy, but rather to help advertising companies to learn something about how I interact with their ads. I don't care that Mozilla's particular implementation is not as bad for my privacy as it could be, I only care that their motivation has swi…

Fine. Then pay for the tools you use rather than force them to get money from another source.

The toolmakers work to earn a living.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's be honest, ads and ad tracking is not going anywhere Sure they are - just install ublock origin. Even if you're OK with the snooping and the attention hijacking and the slow pageloads and the pictures of rotting teeth, plenty of malware has been delivered by inept ad networks. Frankly, I find it strange when someone doesn't block ads.

To play the devil's advocate: if everyone did that, there would be almost no more free websites. So much of the internet is paid for through ads.

The devil doensn't need an advocate. If this is your opinion, stand behind it. If you don't believe it, then why say it?

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's be honest, ads and ad tracking is not going anywhere Sure they are - just install ublock origin. Even if you're OK with the snooping and the attention hijacking and the slow pageloads and the pictures of rotting teeth, plenty of malware has been delivered by inept ad networks. Frankly, I find it strange when someone doesn't block ads.

To play the devil's advocate: if everyone did that, there would be almost no more free websites. So much of the internet is paid for through ads.

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Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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I was about to clear it - but, you know what, it IS needed. Website publishers need to know what works and what doesn’t - otherwise they cannot improve nor generate revenue. So, privacy preserving measuring? I’m in, well done Mozilla.

It is needed for advertisement business, for Mozilla corp. (which is an ads business too https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-t... ), not for Firefox users.

Mozilla has enough money to run Firefox for a decade without accepting any additional money if they stop spending money left and right on non-relevant things.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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The scare quotes here are uncalled for: it is privacy-preserving. The approach allows measurement without disclosing who, specifically, did what with the ad. The best objection to these proposals isn't privacy, it's that a browser vendor is lifting a finger for advertisers. I guess the fundamental question there is if we prefer to outright shut down online advertising, or give it the tools it needs to be less bad. Op…

> The best objection to these proposals

The best objection is that I want my software to work for me, not for someone else. Simple.

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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I've been using Firefox for more than 20 years since the Phoenix days, even when it was cleary slower than Chrome (it still is but the diferences are minimal ) I'm not acting surprised, but I think it's more than time to start looking into a viable alternative. It's "Chromium" (?) still a thing? Do you guys know if there is a browser based on Firefox that doesn't have any of the BS Mozilla is putting into their brows…

One Firefox based alternative

https://floorp.app/en

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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I've been using Firefox for more than 20 years since the Phoenix days, even when it was cleary slower than Chrome (it still is but the diferences are minimal ) I'm not acting surprised, but I think it's more than time to start looking into a viable alternative. It's "Chromium" (?) still a thing? Do you guys know if there is a browser based on Firefox that doesn't have any of the BS Mozilla is putting into their brows…

Chromium is still a thing, I use it at work, considering all the corporate-ware that gets installed into Chrome by default now.

Waterfox and Librewolf seem to exist, and I imagine there's more Firefox forks out there. No idea on the state of things though

Re: Firefox 128 enables "privacy-preserving" ad measurements by default

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More infos about it: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/privacy-preserving-attribution-for-advertising/ https://github.com/mozilla/explainers/tree/main/ppa-experiment https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppm-dap/ The gist of it is that Mozilla and ISRG now proxy the tracking data and give aggregated reports to advertisers. And that they handle the data in a way so that neither Mozilla nor ISRG alone can acces…

> The gist of it is that Mozilla and ISRG now proxy the tracking data and give aggregated reports to advertisers.

So Mozilla becomes the treasure-guard? What prevents them from abusing or leaking the data in the future?

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