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The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that in the financial world of 2100, when on currency , 10⁶ should be read as short-hand for 10E6, not 1E6. Thus, 99⁶ should be interpreted as 99E6, hence 99 million, as the author says. We know already that SI isn't universally followed. As a rough comparison, if a food item contains 160 calories, we know that's 160 kilocalories - and calorie isn't an SI unit. Or, 1GB of RAM is often 1024^3 bytes…

If you look closely, kcal is always written Calorie not calorie. It’s interesting that even in otherwise metric based countries, the joule is completely foreign. It must be what most Americans experience when they see Celsius RAM is always GiB - it’s how it works. I’d love to see an example of it being mangled though

I have looked closely. Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie

> Some authors recommend the spelling Calorie and the symbol Cal (both with a capital C) if the large calorie is meant, to avoid confusion;[8] however, this convention is often ignored.

For example, the US FDA page on calories at https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/calories-nutr... has:

> 2,000 calories a day is used as a general guide for nutrition advice, but your calorie needs may be higher or lower depending on your age, sex, height, weight, and physical activity level.

As for 'RAM is always GiB - it’s how it works.' - that's my point.

RAM by convention is in GiB even if the notation uses GB.

The "Crucial Pro 32GB Kit (16GBx2) DDR5-5600 UDIMM" at https://www.crucial.com/ is actually GiB, because the convention for RAM is to use "GB" to mean "GiB".

Even though that doesn't follow SI prefix conventions.

Just like the predicted currency of 75 years from now uses 99⁶ to mean 99 million, even though the superscript 9 is not currently a suffix meaning "million".

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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The article's title really downplays how much terrific cultural analysis there is here. This write-up has great depth, not only on typography but also architecture, art styles, film, and music! Many links and reference images, too. A worthwhile read that I thoroughly enjoyed.

The title of the submission makes no sense either, and doesn't match the source. "Typeset" is a verb, and is used here as a pun on "set in the future". It doesn't mean "typeface" or "typography".

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

#73

The title of the submission should be changed to “Type in Wall·E”, “Typesetting in Wall·E”, or “Typography in Wall·E”; the word “typeset” is a verb or past participle, not a noun.

In fact what they meant is 'typeface' , a fancy word for what's often (wrongly) referred to as 'font'.

I don't think so. The article refers to lots of typefaces (and more). "Typography" is probably the best choice.

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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post #16
post #7

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And the government website doesn't use it [1]. So hard to see in what sense it's "official". [1] https://www.gov.uk/passport-fees

To be fair, traditionally 95% of digital content has zero amount of typographical finesse and simply uses whatever is available in the local standard keyboard layout. Even the use of em and n dashes is a big deal.

True, but not in the case of gov.uk typography, which has had a huge amount of thought put into it. e.g. https://designnotes.blog.gov.uk/2022/12/12/making-the-gov-uk... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/style-guide/a-to-z-of-gov-uk-sty...

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fact what they meant is 'typeface' , a fancy word for what's often (wrongly) referred to as 'font'.

I don't think so. The article refers to lots of typefaces (and more). "Typography" is probably the best choice.

Perhaps “The Typefaces of Wall·E”, plural?

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

#76

The article's title really downplays how much terrific cultural analysis there is here. This write-up has great depth, not only on typography but also architecture, art styles, film, and music! Many links and reference images, too. A worthwhile read that I thoroughly enjoyed.

The title of the submission makes no sense either, and doesn't match the source. "Typeset" is a verb, and is used here as a pun on "set in the future". It doesn't mean "typeface" or "typography".

I'm afraid this is probably another word that will get accepted with new uses. I didn't actually know it was only a verb and the title made perfect sense in my head. I imagine that's true for most people who read it.

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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post #18

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Tangentially reminds me of how, in an early build of Win11, the localisation team at M$ changed 'zip' to 'postcode' for the GB language pack People then had a lot of fun being unable to extract their .postcode archive files which suddenly came into existence...

AFAIR it was the localized name of the file type. File extensions would never go through i18n/l10n.

> File extensions would never go through i18n/l10n.

Yeah they did. Notably, Microsoft did it.

Source: me. I spent 3 hours at the Venezuelan Embassy in London trying to get Microsoft Works for DOS to accept a new printer driver. I had the driver disk (in UK English) and I had Works and DOS (in LatAm Spanish.)

(My Spanish boss gave me the job, porque yo hablo un poquito de Español.)

MS Works wouldn't register the driver, whether installed, or manually decompressed and copied.

Eventually I worked it out. English-language Works called printer drivers `.PRD`, for "Printer Description" or something like that. Spanish-language Works called them `.DIM` for "Descripción de Impresora" or words to that effect.

Rename `OKIDAT24.PRD` to `OKIDAT24.DIM` and Spanish Works immediately saw it and the printer could be selected in Preferences and it worked perfectly.

Yes, filenames and even file extensions get translated sometimes.

Note for those too young to have used MS/PC/DR DOS: it did not have printer driver support, at all. It sent plain text to the PRN: or LPT1: port device, and nothing but plain text.

(OK, or LPT2: or LPT3: -- but I don't think I ever saw a machine with multiple selectable printers. It was cheaper and easier to buy a physical printer switch box and turn the dial than fit an extra ISA card with a Centronics port, and then configure it to have its own IRQ line.)

Apps did that for themselves. So, each DOS app had to have its own dedicated printer drivers.

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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post #30

> The interpunct is still in use today [...] decimal point [...] dot product [...] separate titles, names, and positions Some·times it is it al·so seen To cla·ri·fy the way That syl·la·bles and me·ter meet In things we say to·day Which ex·tends from hea·vy use In pla·ces not so mer·ry For proof of this phen·o·men·on Con·sult a dic·tion·ary

Those aren’t syllable divisions, they’re hyphenation points! From the footnote on page 219 of Word by Word by Kory Stamper (formerly a lexicographer at Merriam-Webster): > Here is the one thing that our pronunciation editor wishes everyone knew: those dots in the headwords, like at “co·per·nic·i·um,” are not marking syllable breaks, as is evident by comparing the placement of the dots with the placement of the hyphen…

Isn’t that equivalent to syllable splits — since words are split on syllable boundaries?

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

#79
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is that in the financial world of 2100, when on currency , 10⁶ should be read as short-hand for 10E6, not 1E6. Thus, 99⁶ should be interpreted as 99E6, hence 99 million, as the author says. We know already that SI isn't universally followed. As a rough comparison, if a food item contains 160 calories, we know that's 160 kilocalories - and calorie isn't an SI unit. Or, 1GB of RAM is often 1024^3 bytes…

If you look closely, kcal is always written Calorie not calorie. It’s interesting that even in otherwise metric based countries, the joule is completely foreign. It must be what most Americans experience when they see Celsius RAM is always GiB - it’s how it works. I’d love to see an example of it being mangled though

I'm don't know where you are talking about, I've now looked at the four closest food labels I could find and all have been kcal/ kJ, are you in Kenya or something?

Re: The Typeset of Wall·E (2018)

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aside: WALL-E's story is strangely analogous to the mystic journey of a seer. This includes the precise steps of (a) isolation (b) love (c) rejection (d) hero's voyage (e) androgyny (c.f. WALL-E in the space ship), (f) spiritual fight, (g) the 'kiss' (h) the 'return' (j) union and establishment of a new earthly life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces

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