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Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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I feel obligated to say my usual "IP is at this point doing more harm than good" spiel here but don't have the time budget to argue it with people today

IP-intensive industries contribute 41% of the US GDP and employ 44% of the US workforce [1]. If you abolished IP all of that would go away. How would you replace that? I'm not a fan of IP either but I think it's pretty hard to escape that reality. Big companies like NVIDIA (3T market cap) are almost 100% IP. IP is more-or-less central to the US's economic and security strategy. Without it, the country loses a huge am…

> IP-intensive industries contribute 41% of the US GDP and employ 44% of the US workforce [1]. If you abolished IP all of that would go away.

That's right. Change the rules and 44% of people would instantly — instantly — lose their jobs. The US Economy would tank like a torpedoed ship overnight! Gone in a flash!

Or ... maybe what you wrote was a little overhyped, and perhaps when the rules changed the Market, as they say, would decide.

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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"Whether we’re supporting advancements on the leading edge of science or helping children build a strong learning foundation, shared knowledge is the common thread". (source: https://www.oclc.org/en/about.html ) Well, now it's shared on a torrent, but I guess for them that was "over shared" lol. Also, they are a library but spent 5 million on cyber defense... seriously??

More from OCLC's About page:

"Breakthroughs depend on access to knowledge. Together, member institutions, individual librarians, partners, and staff believe in that mission to share knowledge. And we believe that, together, we can do more.

Because what is known must be shared."

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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Pay them from general taxation to dig holes and fill them in again with spoons? If you can only succeed because you're government is holding back others at the barrel of a gun do you really deserve to?

Business in physical property/goods also requires the government to hold others back with a barrel of a gun.

One of the key differences being that physical theft deprives the rightful owner of the property. It's not an analogous crime.

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What's a suitable replacement?

A copyright term of 30 years after first publication, or 30 years after creation if no publication happens in this period. Ideally add some provision that ensures works are actually available after that period (similar to how many countries require all printed books to be submitted to the national library, but extend it to all media that achieves some benchmark of significance). Patent duration adjusted on a per-indu…

The best model I've seen for patents is increasingly escalating renewal fees for periodic terms. Such as get the first 5 years for very limited fees, every 5 years (up to some max such as 30) require 2-5x to renew or the patent expires. The exponentially increasing fees limit the hoarding of patents without direct economic benefits, but the high cost means you are able to provide offsetting social benefits while still providing incentives for innovation.

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They're just piling on anything they can regardless of reason. A real damage count would be lost sales due to web scraping, but they don't sell anything. > For example, the organization spent $1,548,693 on upgrades for its hardware infrastructure, and an additional $608,069 for a two-year Cloudflare contract [..] Other costs include the salaries of 34 full-time employees, who were tasked with mitigating the harm caus…

Does OCLC get revenue from advertising or anything like that? I always notice they have google beacons on their site.

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Business in physical property/goods also requires the government to hold others back with a barrel of a gun.

One of the key differences being that physical theft deprives the rightful owner of the property. It's not an analogous crime.

Of course I agree that there are some differences, but they are the same with respect to the sated role of government.

Physical theft deprives the owner of physical property (where this right is respected by law. IP theft deprives the owner of intellectual property ( where this right is respected by law).

People can and do make arguments against both IP and physical property, but the role of government the the same in both cases.

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Some friends and family are likely to be on HN, and I'd assume probably don't want to see speculation like that.

The conspiracy/speculation on every damn topic around here is getting out of hand.

There's been a very noticeable decline in average comment quality since Reddit started pulling its API nonsense. It was worse right after it happened, and it's clear that the mods are working hard to keep it under control, but the Reddit exodus definitely has had an impact here.

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They're just piling on anything they can regardless of reason. A real damage count would be lost sales due to web scraping, but they don't sell anything. > For example, the organization spent $1,548,693 on upgrades for its hardware infrastructure, and an additional $608,069 for a two-year Cloudflare contract [..] Other costs include the salaries of 34 full-time employees, who were tasked with mitigating the harm caus…

> Is web scraping now considered a cyberattack? Was it eating their bandwidth even if it was served through Cloudflare? LOL. We've been tobagonning down the slippery slope of "cyber" damages for a long time now.

Dang, surely this will put an end to AI training by scraping the web! Unless... perhaps such standard might not get evenly applied?

Re: Anna's Archive Faces Millions in Damages and a Permanent Injunction

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At this point, we need a service that "offers" an 8-bay (with 12TB? 14TB? drives) full with the whole ~80TB Anna's Archive. It's essentially all of human knowledge and to be frank it belongs to no one - rather...everyone. People can store this at their house, keep it offline. Just to have these seeds of knowledge everywhere. ...I suppose LLM's trained on this data, essentially their model weights and tokenization are…

When it comes to the evils (and goods) of copyright, it is hard to go wrong with Thomas Babington Macaulay's address to the House of Commons in 1841[1]:

"At present the holder of copyright has the public feeling on his side. Those who invade copyright are regarded as knaves who take the bread out of the mouths of deserving men. Everybody is well pleased to see them restrained by the law, and compelled to refund their ill-gotten gains. No tradesman of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot. On which side indeed should the public sympathy be when the question is whether some book as popular as “Robinson Crusoe” or the “Pilgrim’s Progress” shall be in every cottage, or whether it shall be confined to the libraries of the rich for the advantage of the great-grandson of a bookseller who, a hundred years before, drove a hard bargain for the copyright with the author when in great distress? Remember too that, when once it ceases to be considered as wrong and discreditable to invade literary property, no person can say where the invasion will stop. The public seldom makes nice distinctions. The wholesome copyright which now exists will share in the disgrace and danger of the new copyright which you are about to create. And you will find that, in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the works of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living."

He was decrying the increase in term of copyright to life of the author + 50 years.

1.https://www.thepublicdomain.org/2014/07/24/macaulay-on-copyr...

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You dropped a 0. Anna's Archive is currently 862.4 TB

Yes, too much for one person, but collectively it is possible to keep it alive. If anyone wishes to help, you can generate a chunk in 1TB units and seed via BitTorrent here: https://annas-archive.gs/torrents

Honestly, if I can't have the whole thing, I'm not going to bother mirroring a 1TB fragment that's worthless by itself to everybody except copyright attorneys.

As ndriscoll points out, the only feasible way to distribute an archive of this size is with physical hard drives. I sure wish they would find a reasonably-trustworthy way to offer that.

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