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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by bayindirh »

PedroBatista wrote: post #20
bayindirh wrote: post #16

I wonder what would happen if Ladybird matures well to compete with Firefox and Chrome (hope so), and it's just forked away by some company and completely closed down in a whim, because BSD-2 allows that.

Why is that such a problem other than the human factor of seeing your code being used by some guys you don’t like?

> seeing your code being used by some guys you don’t like?

This is not even in the list of my concerns. I just don't like to see efforts of hundreds if not thousands of volunteers are rolled into a closed source application and distributed for the profit of a couple of people who pat themselves on the back because they got their next car/house/whatever for free.

This is why I prefer GPL over BSD/MIT.

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Post by aniviacat »

mronetwo wrote: post #39

Nitpick (or is it?) but the website is soulless and just bad. The website design communicates that this is just another immature project, desperately looking for a VC funding, just following modern design trends where "design == aesthetics". Yuck. I am happy to see the project thrive.

I don't know if that's true for non-developers. (Of course non-developers aren't the target yet, but they hopefully will be in the future.) I'd assume that non-developers are usually the main audience for a project website like this.

Developers can simply look at the Github readme and get their near plain text overview there.

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Post by imp0cat »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #57
yuvadam wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Ladybird avoid Mozilla's fate? How can it be a long term sustainable project?

Don't throw money away into non-browser related projects while constantly pissing off your loyal userbase.

Look, I am as annoyed as you are with the constant barrage of "rewritten in Rust" projects, but if Mozilla did not try various other projects that are not browser, there would be no Rust.

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Post by Sammi »

kosolam wrote: post #51
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Hey Andreas! Why you don’t just fork the code of Firefox or Chromium's and start from that point, building a Browser company like some others?

Google paid Apple $20 billion in 2022 to be Safari’s default search engine. They paid half a billion to be Firefox's default search engine.

Here's a tweet with a couple of diagrams that illustrate how much control Google has over all browsers (including Firefox and Safari): https://x.com/awesomekling/status/1793937129250214344

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Post by ajrowls »

PedroBatista wrote: post #37
Aeolun wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something about only being a browser company? Mozilla is many things, but purely browser focused is not it.

I would say the browser it’s not even in their mind at this point. High level people inside Mozilla not only implied but said it directly.

Source for this claim?

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Post by rizky05 »

SushiHippie wrote: post #60
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

How does ladybird compare to Servo? https://servo.org/

Servo is just the engine at this point. Ladybird has the whole thing.

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Post by awesomekling »

F3nd0 wrote: post #38
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Congratulations on the kick-off! Now that Ladybird is no longer a part of SerenityOS, will you consider a switch to a licence which not only grants, but also protects user freedoms (e.g. the GPL, MPL, EUPL)? Also, any thoughts on having official communication channels on some open, freedom-respecting platforms, rather than Discord only?

Thanks F3nd0! There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license.

And we're perfectly happy using proprietary services like GitHub and Discord as long as they make our work easier and more enjoyable. We recently evaluated a number of alternatives, and found that they all introduced more friction than we were comfortable with.

Although the task of building a browser is itself challenging, we're a pragmatic project :)

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Post by abrookewood »

awesomekling wrote: post #48
yuvadam wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Ladybird avoid Mozilla's fate? How can it be a long term sustainable project?

It depends on what you mean by “Mozilla’s fate”. In general, we are setting a much narrower goal than Mozilla and hope that focusing on only browsers will allow us to keep things simple and more sustainable financially. :)

Unless you are planning to live off the interest from your donations, how will this be possible?

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Post by hurutparittya »

kosolam wrote: post #51
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Hey Andreas! Why you don’t just fork the code of Firefox or Chromium's and start from that point, building a Browser company like some others?

I'm also curious about this. When it was just a toy project it made sense to write everything from scratch. If it's supposed to eventually be usable by people, a hard fork of Chromium, or at least some Chromium components might make more sense. Having a browser that improves hackability and user freedom while working just as well as Chromium sounds like heaven to me. Anyways, I'm clueless about browser development so I might be completely wrong.
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