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Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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It's probably not the best idea to base your clone on the name that is being trademarked: https://trademarks.justia.com/984/05/sora-98405663.html

It looks like it's being developed by a Chinese group. What's OpenAI going to do, sue them in a Chinese court?

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Most of the great art was created in a world without intellectual property, or with no effective IP enforcement on that art. While I don’t think all IP should be abolished, I think in general there is too much of it, protected for too long, and society would be better off getting rid of patents and dramatically downsizing copyright to at most a few decades of protection. (And yes I have thought a lot on this matter.…

Most of the great art was created in a world without intellectual property It was also created at a time when copying work was almost as hard and expensive as creating it.

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Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Most of the great art was created in a world without intellectual property, or with no effective IP enforcement on that art. While I don’t think all IP should be abolished, I think in general there is too much of it, protected for too long, and society would be better off getting rid of patents and dramatically downsizing copyright to at most a few decades of protection. (And yes I have thought a lot on this matter.…

I tend to agree with your takeaway, but I want to pick a nit on your point about great art being made without copyright. "The Most Powerful Idea in the World" basically makes the case that intellectual property is what enabled the Industrial Revolution. I won't try to summarize or defend the entire thing here, but I think it makes a very compelling case that the notion of "owning ideas as property" was the thing that…

Enslaving half of the world also played a slight part in that uniqueness.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Which is a positive turn of events. Intellectual property as a concept needs to go.

That would give big companies a big advantage. It maybe wrong how it is now, but it exists for a reason. Same with patents.

Disney must be close to divine managing to get such a marketshare despite IP regulations holding them back.

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If you think for more than a few seconds on the matter, you quickly realise that intellectual property is a moral necessity, because intellectual expropriation (which is what you are really talking about) would destroy a major incentive for positive contributions to society. Everything political is rooted in morality, and while it is easy to point out political challenges on the topic, intellectual property is ethica…

I have thought on the matter for millions of seconds. Politics and economics don't have anything to do with morality. It's about power. The moral fairytailes are there to justify whatever the state of affairs are. When these change, new fairytales justifying them will be adopted. If right to property is a God given right, why the hell I as a atheist should give a damn?

Examine your definitions of politics and morality. Morality encompasses all actions made by actors with (presumed) free will.

"God given" means "natural". [Natural rights does not require a god](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_right...)

And if your argument ("... god given ... atheist ... etc.) can be copy-pasted into a valid defence of arbitrary evil (I like to use Hitler for a concrete example, but avoid it in public because some subset of people erroneously thinks that is an automatic fallacy), then it is trivial in the sense that it doesn't add anything to the discussion, regardless of your opinion or pov.

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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It's probably not the best idea to base your clone on the name that is being trademarked: https://trademarks.justia.com/984/05/sora-98405663.html

It looks like it's being developed by a Chinese group. What's OpenAI going to do, sue them in a Chinese court?

It's also kind of a humorous jab in that it's named "Open".

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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Why is that the case? The way its implemented is no longer fit for today's world, but as a concept? That's a whole other story.

IP is a huge drag on the progress of mankind. Ideally there would other ways than economical to facilitate production of intellectual goods. Ownership economies are exceptionally bad in non-scarce resources. There are some alternative and less destructive ways to handle the economy already in place. Academic institutions generally don't claim or enforce IP (paywalls are more a corporate than academic thing). Many lib…

Is IP on names also a huge drag? Would it be beneficial to the mankind if I—or anyone—were able to just make their own Linux or Nginx, with no relation to the group that originally made it?

Arguably "first come, first serve" policy on names per domain is a good one and serves to reduce confusion.

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AI developers don't care about intellectual property.

Which is a positive turn of events. Intellectual property as a concept needs to go.

I think intellectual property is necessary given the current way the economy works. But we should strive for evolving how the economy works.

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It's probably not the best idea to base your clone on the name that is being trademarked: https://trademarks.justia.com/984/05/sora-98405663.html

AI developers don't care about intellectual property.

one of the phrases they used @ their example page maybe reads pretty clear :D

> there are no text or logos in the video

Re: Open-Sora does pretty good video generation on consumer GPUs

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It's very likely the comment you replied to said it in a joking sense

It is extremely difficult to tell if the person is joking in a field full of people who think AI is some sort of magic.

Well I mean calling any of this diffusion/LLM stuff "AI" is a misnomer to begin with.
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