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Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by Brian_K_White »

MattGaiser wrote: post #26
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

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No such system exists.

You only talked about removing money from an individual or from one activity without addressing the entire rest of the system that still decides everything with money.

Why would you propose a stupid scenario that the commenter never described?

They never said nor even implied communism either. If they had an idea what the details would be, and those details mapped to something we already have a word for, they'd has used it.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by 627467 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #26
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

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Ahhh we forgot about the music dark ages when piracy meant artists couldn't make a living from their art and music died completely

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by selestify »

koolba wrote: post #69
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s pretty clear I am not saying “there outta be a way to give books away” which would be a very stupid thing for me to say. I’m saying we should legalize the giving away of all books, but must rearrange society to ensure authors and all people still have the support the previously got from the existing system. Engaging only with the stupid point I didn’t make is a waste of time honestly and is seriously mis…

> I’m saying we should legalize the giving away of all books, but must rearrange society to ensure authors and all people still have the support the previously got from the existing system. There’s no way to implement this without taking away the freedoms of the author to choose how to distribute the fruits of his labor. Just because you think the world would be a better place if they all did that does not mean it’s…

Why is it a fundamental freedom of the author to restrict who gets the freedom to share their enjoyment of the author’s works with others?

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by marcus0x62 »

vessenes wrote: post #55
999900000999 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best part had to be the whole moral grandstanding they had when doing it. Controlled digital lending was tolerated. It was never legal. I can't buy a bunch of DVDs and start a streaming service even if a each copy can only be watched by a single person at a time. It really sucks since they do a lot of good work aside from this.

Nitpick - I think if your DVD streaming service is free and single-person only, then you probably can - it would qualify under space or time shifting concepts. I don't think you have the right to monetize a DVD you purchase in general in the US, though.

> it would qualify under space or time shifting concepts.

With the monumentally idiotic Aereo[1] decision, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Broadcasting_Cos.,_In....

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by atomicnumber3 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #26
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

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"Such a system exists. You can publish a book and give it away freely. But few do. This is book communism and fails for the same reasons as regular communism. It is in nobody’s interest to do any hard work. If you don’t reward great effort, virtually nobody provides it."

Why does open source / free software exist then?

"Nobody puts in hard word if it's not rewarded" hasnt the cURL guy been maintaining cURL/libcurl for decades and gets paid nothing?

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by selestify »

WillAdams wrote: post #35
pessimizer wrote: post #23

With this judgement, does this force them to write a tool that determines whether a book is in print or not? Are there any good webservices, or will they just have to scrape Amazon, etc.? I've noticed a lot of their lending library is definitely out of print; is "out-of-print and public domain" just the ars writer's interpretation of the judgement? If it isn't, a tighter awareness of what is in print and out of print…

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Do you have any data to back that up? Wouldn’t something being highly pirated indicate that there’s a lot of interest in a reprint?

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by adolph »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

> purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge

You don’t get more golden eggs by killing the goose who lays them.

Also the IA book UI was terrible.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by vundercind »

koolba wrote: post #69
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s pretty clear I am not saying “there outta be a way to give books away” which would be a very stupid thing for me to say. I’m saying we should legalize the giving away of all books, but must rearrange society to ensure authors and all people still have the support the previously got from the existing system. Engaging only with the stupid point I didn’t make is a waste of time honestly and is seriously mis…

> I’m saying we should legalize the giving away of all books, but must rearrange society to ensure authors and all people still have the support the previously got from the existing system. There’s no way to implement this without taking away the freedoms of the author to choose how to distribute the fruits of his labor. Just because you think the world would be a better place if they all did that does not mean it’s…

Curiously libertarian language for supporting a system built on restricting individual freedom.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by ryandrake »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

I believe in hundreds, maybe thousands of years, after humanity has finally evolved past our current monkey mentality, future historians will look back at this time period in awe: "They had the technology to make the sum of all human knowledge available to everyone... And they blew it! Further, they had the means to feed everyone, clothe everyone, house everyone, but they just walked away in the other direction, purely to maintain existing economic power structures." The future historians are going to wonder how strong our ideology was that we sacrificed all of what we could have at the altar of our scarcity-based religion.

If Star Trek Replicators were invented today, we're so stupid we'd outlaw them.

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