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Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by evbogue »

jdminhbg wrote: post #64
evbogue wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of figure if I'm sharing a constant stream of screenshots of my screen with one company why not share them with every company? Might as well send it to the hackers too, I guess. This way I can have more AIs analyzing my screen.

I'm pretty sure that SharePlay screensharing is encrypted like FaceTime is, so I don't think you're sharing that stream of screenshots with Apple by using it. Their concern would be that if you allow third parties to use that API, they might stream your screen elsewhere.

My jest was aimed at Siri's Apple Intelligence (AI) upcoming Onscreen Awareness. I'd like to also share my screenshots stream to be analyzed Microsoft AI's Copilot+ Recall feature for ultimate AI analysis and any other company that wants to send my screen to AI. Alphabet Intelligence? Sign my screen up!

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by jdminhbg »

evbogue wrote: post #71
jdminhbg wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure that SharePlay screensharing is encrypted like FaceTime is, so I don't think you're sharing that stream of screenshots with Apple by using it. Their concern would be that if you allow third parties to use that API, they might stream your screen elsewhere.

My jest was aimed at Siri's Apple Intelligence (AI) upcoming Onscreen Awareness. I'd like to also share my screenshots stream to be analyzed Microsoft AI's Copilot+ Recall feature for ultimate AI analysis and any other company that wants to send my screen to AI. Alphabet Intelligence? Sign my screen up!

Ok, that doesn't really work either, because the Apple Intelligence stuff is done on-device.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by armada651 »

spideymans wrote: post #69
Arn_Thor wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity is not a goal in itself. It is a means to a healthy and happy populace. Europe doesn’t have record breaking GDP but features many of the happiest people in the world. Different values result in different measures of success, I guess

Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. In the short term, lagging productivity can be masked by debt spending and other measures, but in the long run, the only thing that increases human wealth and material abundance is labor productivity. Everything else is…

> Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy.

Due to the demands for constant economic growth increased productivity does not actually result in more free time, just more economic output.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by cobbal »

dartos wrote: post #44
laborcontract wrote: post #6

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Their new slate of ai products will be able to have screen reading capabilities. There are legitimate concerns for user privacy here. Their agreement with OpenAI is likely very strict.

I don’t think they’re using openai. Didn’t they say they have models running on-device?

They have both. In the demos they were sending select complex tasks out to chatgpt with a large UI alert confirming the data was leaving Apple's walled garden.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by crazygringo »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #12
laborcontract wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their new slate of ai products will be able to have screen reading capabilities. There are legitimate concerns for user privacy here. Their agreement with OpenAI is likely very strict.

How do people survive with Linux and Windows.

Do you call being hacked with ransomware "surviving"?

Or being part of a nefarious botnet "surviving"?

Or accidentally installing keyloggers "surviving"?

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by dbspin »

spideymans wrote: post #69
Arn_Thor wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity is not a goal in itself. It is a means to a healthy and happy populace. Europe doesn’t have record breaking GDP but features many of the happiest people in the world. Different values result in different measures of success, I guess

Productivity is ultimately the measure of the efficiency of human labor. The more productive workers are, the more free time they’ll have to do whatever it is they want to do to make themselves happy. In the short term, lagging productivity can be masked by debt spending and other measures, but in the long run, the only thing that increases human wealth and material abundance is labor productivity. Everything else is…

You're conflating productivity and wealth, and wealth and happiness. These are, you'll forgive me for saying - very American fallacies. The productivity of a country says little to nothing about it's levels of relative and absolute poverty, social inequality, and capacity for social reproduction. Compare say Berlin - an historically 'depressed' city with a smaller economy than most German cities, with any first tier US cities. Free public kitas (similar to kindergarten), decent holiday leave, a significant amount of paid maternity / paternity leave, a large number of parks, excellent public transport, subsidised health care and (until very recently) affordable housing, make raising a family on a moderate wage possible. The overall potential for happiness and observable comfort and stress levels of the population are measurably different from a comparably sized American city where raising a family or living a normal adult life are compromised for a large percentage of the population by the absence of all or most of these things.

> Any society that opts out of seeking labor productivity will eventually see their wealth, living standards, and ultimately happiness decline. There is no way out of that trap.

I'd argue the reverse - any society that privileges productivity over social reproduction and liveable cities will never be able to tame violent crime, achieve real social mobility or provide a safe and enriching environment for a majority of its citizenry.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by isodev »

vletal wrote: post #53

I do not get it. If they are really into "private cloud", "your data belongs to you", ... They should be compliant out of the box. This decreases my trust in Apple.

Apple throwing a tantrum like this doesn’t seem like a winning strategy. It’s a giant finger for devs and consumers in Europe.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by jedberg »

vletal wrote: post #53

I do not get it. If they are really into "private cloud", "your data belongs to you", ... They should be compliant out of the box. This decreases my trust in Apple.

It's the other way around. They are worried they will be forced to open their privacy to third parties who could circumvent their privacy controls.

Re: Apple won't roll out AI tech in EU market over regulatory concerns

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Post by evbogue »

jdminhbg wrote: post #72
evbogue wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My jest was aimed at Siri's Apple Intelligence (AI) upcoming Onscreen Awareness. I'd like to also share my screenshots stream to be analyzed Microsoft AI's Copilot+ Recall feature for ultimate AI analysis and any other company that wants to send my screen to AI. Alphabet Intelligence? Sign my screen up!

Ok, that doesn't really work either, because the Apple Intelligence stuff is done on-device.

Dang, joke fail again.

If I can do AI on a computer in my pocket then why are we investing all of this money building AI Factories?

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