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Please, would people in the US mind learning the meaning of "socialism"?
Then talking about the far right in the EU... the US has nothing to brag about. You guys don't have a left side at all: it's right vs far right there.
EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#72Are there ways to circumvent this? Selfhosting? Encryption before sending?
Drive your tractor to Brussels and set some barricades on fire. Violent protests seem to be the way to change the EU commission's mind :(
You'll have to wait in line with every other protest going on, then. Some group is protesting something every day in Brussels.
They're all insane and whining over the smallest things, except the ones aligned to my personal political vieuws, of course.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#73Are there ways to circumvent this? Selfhosting? Encryption before sending?
Not for the masses. They cannot be bothered and most likely don't care until it is too late. For the technologist, it is easy to circumvent in the private sphere of life at least. I foresee however, a digital ID that will be tied to all your essential services, that you will be required to have in order to live, and that's the tracking and communication point that will be used to get a hold of you. Kind of like the c…
> but in the EU of tomorrow, your digital EU idea will be the choking point. Do something out of line, and it can be revoked and with it, your bank, credit cards, health care, travel and other services.
I won't say that future will never happen only because "never" is a long time, but that's not happening in the foreseeable future.
I'm in Germany right now, and theoretically my ID card can be used online.
In practice, "Digitalisierung" is kinda a joke here, much like "paperless office".
For example, I have to visit an office to activate that feature of my ID card, and another to tell them I've moved.
During the pandemic, they briefly realised they didn't need to do that, then they forgot.
Likewise with health, there's more than one health insurance provider just in Germany, let alone the whole EU, and if I move country (not just travel, move) my previous insurance isn't likely to work in the new place anyway — it would take substantial improvements before it would even be possible for someone to corrut it the way you're afraid of.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#74Extremely clickbait title after the vote was supposed to happen today. It hasn't happened, it is postponed to tomorrow.
Also it's the link to the generic page, not a news article (which has been debated several times in the past days)
OTOH this generic page seems to explain it better and in a less sensationalistic way
(on the other other hand I feel that privacy advocates should hire some PR companies to enhance the job of raising awareness - the pro-scanning NGOs put a lot of money on it)
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#75Another day I'm happy my country (Switzerland) respects its citizens wishes to not join EU
Are you optimistic that Swiss citizens are unaffected by this?
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#76Are there ways to circumvent this? Selfhosting? Encryption before sending?
Drive your tractor to Brussels and set some barricades on fire. Violent protests seem to be the way to change the EU commission's mind :(
Worked for deprioritizing biodiversity efforts for the sake of mass produced animal products, because, more processing steps => higher economic yield. Money talks.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#77Another day I'm happy my country (Switzerland) respects its citizens wishes to not join EU
What's Switzerland's stance on this (message scanning)? From what I have seen this entire topic keeps coming up in the US, the UK and some European countries and is just impossible to keep dead, because some citizens are strongly lobbying in favor of it.
The answer is to play the game, pay the piper, and lobby against it.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's absolutely nothing socialist about the EU, unless you don't know or understand what "socialism" means...
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An issue is that what US people mean when they say "socialism" is not what EU people understand at all.
US people typically don't see the difference between communism and socialism.
From an EU point of view, US people see everything that is not right or far right as "the bad guys in Marvel comics".
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
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> Just add police drones and you have a foolproof system except you don't. And this is exactly the issue here: by removing police from the streets, doing policing work, not repression as they do in the US, people started feeling less and less secure, which is somewhat also kinda true and they will gladly accept anything that promises more security, which in turn will increase the sense of insecurity and promote more…
The loop is intentional though. You need political will to pass laws like these so you have to create crises for it. But as you say its a self sustaining cycle and the end result will be fully automated repression. The old arguments of "Oh well the policemen have families too" will go away once drones can enforce your dictatorship
> The loop is intentional though
Of course, but it's also a consequence of being rich countries. Nobody wants to actually be a cop anymore, after studying for years to get a degree and finally get a cop's salary, and I understand them.
The good news is that unless you are Japanese living in a dystopian anime, automated (kawaiiii) drone repression will never work in practice.
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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have never ever before in my whole life seen anyone, either online or offline, under any circumstance, seen someone point to something good the EU did and claim it as an example of socialism working. It's simply not socialist.
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Take a step back and read more, you're all over this thread, embarrassing yourself.