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Amazon fined $5.9M for breaking labor law in California

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Amazon made $64,809,782.60 in revenue every hour in Q3 2023. Source: https://www.junglescout.com/blog/how-much-does-amazon-make-i...

This fine was for two Amazon warehouses near LA. Amazon reportedly has over a thousand fulfilment centers in the US [1]. [1] https://www.digitalcommerce360.com/article/amazon-warehouses...

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Amazon made $64,809,782.60 in revenue every hour in Q3 2023. Source: https://www.junglescout.com/blog/how-much-does-amazon-make-i...

This is fair, but remember the business units are partitioned and extremely hierarchical in a company this size, so someone, somewhere, well below the top, got in trouble for this.

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The fine doesn't even amount to a slap on the wrist. It's like if someone stole $1000 worth of merchandise from a store and the only punishment is a $1000 fine... and you get to keep what you stole. Why be law abiding when you could break the law and potentially make more money? You'd have to be stupid to be law abiding in a system like that.

It’s actually more like: You stole $1000 and if you are caught, your fine is $10.

No it is more like:

You stole $1000 from me and now you have to pay $10 to someone else.

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Surely the fines will become exponentially bigger every time they are caught doing the same, right?

They’ll learn to cover their tracks better

We will keep the secret quotas secret from hereforth.

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Why taxes are proportional to income but fines aren't?

Because you create a loophole where non-profitable companies commit the offense and get cash back (if fines were connected to revenue, negative revenue would become a reward)

If fines were tied to revenue, then non-profit wouldn't stop the fine. If you had $1200 in revenue, and $1000 in expenses, the fine could be calculated against rhe $1200, which is exactly what non-companies have to do.

And it would make sense to be revenue-based, as opposed to profit-based.

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Retail has had labor quotas (with serious health/mental consequences) since time immemorial, but i don't see any outrage against Sears, ToysRus, or BedBath. Why ?

Two of those are dead and the third has coded several times over the last ten years. Amazon, on the other hand, is one of the world's biggest businesses.

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Because you create a loophole where non-profitable companies commit the offense and get cash back (if fines were connected to revenue, negative revenue would become a reward)

Obviously you would have a floor, just like taxes do.

Yep, plenty of fines work this way. It's how GDPR works: percent of turnover (revenue) or a floor, whichever is higher [1].

And worst case scenario define revenue in the fine's terms in a way that it disallows accounting tricks.

[1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-83-gdpr/#:~:text=turnover

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Additionally California PAGA lawsuits are notorious for nearly bankrupting small businesses. This case wasn't PAGA, but still people need to realize that sometimes these things are more nuanced than they appear.

Infractions are 200 dollars per infraction for every employee, and are religiously perused by private law firms.

For example, if a company with 100 employees let employees take lunch whenever they wanted, they would be sued for 20K per day this occurred since employers are required to require employees take lunch within 5 hours of starting the day, meaning they could easily look at millions of dollars of fines for trying to be nice to employees that a private law firm would sue them over.

And in the end the majority of the settlement will go to the law firm and the actual person who sued will get 1/100th of the remaining amount for all this trouble.

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