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The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by bluish29 »

halflife wrote: post #69
orwin wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the goal seems to be to kill and injure as much as possible, so wether you're using a cellphone or not you might just die. An I you consider a kill and 3 injury for each bombardement (4 casualties)(which is a low estimate), 250 bombardement a day (low estimate again), and take the highest estimate of Hamas militants, 20k (including associated armed groups), 90% of all casualties are civilians, which is a…

Cite for numbers?

This is a very good piece from bbc [1]. It revise IDF claims and how things are not correct and that the death toll is probably much higher because israel destroyed partially or completely most of functional hospitals where death toll numbers are collected.

I am replying assuming a good faith and that your goal is not justifying killing innocent people because it is horrible.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by WereAllMadHere »

bluish29 wrote: post #71
halflife wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cite for numbers?

This is a very good piece from bbc [1]. It revise IDF claims and how things are not correct and that the death toll is probably much higher because israel destroyed partially or completely most of functional hospitals where death toll numbers are collected. I am replying assuming a good faith and that your goal is not justifying killing innocent people because it is horrible. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle…

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Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by wesselbindt »

immibis wrote: post #50
maybelsyrup wrote: post #33

> the telecommunications infrastructure has been severely damaged Distal to the tech here but man, once you see the passive voice vs active voice stuff on this issue, you really can't un-see it. Astounding. Edit: finished the article. The tech here really is stunning -- like, the ratio of ingenuity to resources is insane.

I believe political judgements are against the Hacker News guidelines as I've been reprimanded for making them in the past. Your comment should be removed by the moderators. If you'd said it about Ukraine/Russia, it wouldn't be removed.

Pointing out communication styles in the media is not a political judgement. There is a political judgement being made here, but it's done by the author of the article. Your parent comment is merely pointing out the political judgement. And if doing that is against HN guidelines, then your comment is too.

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by wesselbindt »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #37
throw0320 wrote: post #28

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Yes I think if the walls between Gaza and Israel came down it would be a moment like the taking down of the Berlin wall. Two people, ruled by the same government, finally experiencing the same rights, same freedoms, same status, etc. How to tear down that wall without the extremists trying to kill their "enemies" on each side first, that no one has the answer to

> How to tear down that wall without the extremists trying to kill their "enemies" on each side first, that no one has the answer to

South Africa does. They did it. Ending apartheid there (without splitting up into two countries, one for blacks, one for whites) actually stopped the gruesome ANC actions. There's some beautiful idiom about history and repetition that applies but I don't recall it.

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by bradrn »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #60
bradrn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “A stray bullet killed a child during police encounter” To be pedantic, this isn’t passive voice at all. See Pullum on this particular misconception: http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.html

Oh good point! Thanks for the note.

You’re welcome!

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by anonfordays »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #33

> the telecommunications infrastructure has been severely damaged Distal to the tech here but man, once you see the passive voice vs active voice stuff on this issue, you really can't un-see it. Astounding. Edit: finished the article. The tech here really is stunning -- like, the ratio of ingenuity to resources is insane.

>Distal to the tech here but man, once you see the passive voice vs active voice stuff on this issue, you really can't un-see it. Astounding.

The author is an Arabic speaking, English as a second language pro-Palestinian activist/writer. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by Hikikomori »

js212 wrote: post #66
chimineycricket wrote: post #8

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If they don't want to supply local populations with aid and food, they shouldn't block aid and food from going in.

The only one blocking aid right now is Egypt in the Rafa crossing. Israel is literally bringing in aid themselves again what other country warns a civilian population before it attacks? Does Russia warn Ukraine civilians?

Did they warn the Rafah refugee camp before bombing and killing 40+?

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by Hikikomori »

js212 wrote: post #66
chimineycricket wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they don't want to supply local populations with aid and food, they shouldn't block aid and food from going in.

The only one blocking aid right now is Egypt in the Rafa crossing. Israel is literally bringing in aid themselves again what other country warns a civilian population before it attacks? Does Russia warn Ukraine civilians?

You couldn't come up with something to blame the children in the refugee bombing huh?

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #46
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #40

I wonder why this is not a situation where Starlink could have been deployed?

a) lack of shipping resources, electricity, etc b) which people are reluctant to waste on something that will instantly be a visible target and probably last about five minutes c) Musk is on Netanyahu's side https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/28/elon-musks-israel-...

That's very unfortunate that he allows Netanyahu of all people in the world to allow whether 2 million people should be able to access Internet

Re: The ‘Network of Web Trees’ in Gaza

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

dralley wrote: post #59
lazyasciiart wrote: post #44

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It would probably be a good start if Israel just stopped bombing or otherwise closing Palestine's sea front or land borders with other countries. They don't even have to open their own border to civilians trying to escape their air strikes!

Are you familiar with the history of how those walls went up? Hint: it has something to do with more than one thousand civilian deaths caused by suicide bombers coming from Gaza in the late 1990s and early 2000s, which almost completely stopped after the walls and checkpoints were installed. Now Hamas uses rockets instead, but those were much less dangerous on average than the bombings that were employed beforehand.

We can play the are you familiar with history game forever. They don't just bomb people because they're crazy barbarians. They do it because they have been forced from their homes and constantly had their villages and homes raided, burned, destroyed, and built on top of by Israeli settlers who the army protects. The entire West Bank is like this, and it's not surprising they turned to whatever tactics they could to stop the same from happening to them in Gaza.

And you can understand why normal Israelis feel threatened by such things, so they build a wall and on and on.

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