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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by skhr0680 »

tgv wrote: post #40
walterbell wrote: post #32

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There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue. Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia. > software updates are way longer There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor. Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating s…

And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

Bluetooth keyboard + mouse. I have an iPad that is eWaste because Apple said it is even though it technically still functions and would work great if Apple would let me use it as a terminal to my main computer

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by jbverschoor »

walterbell wrote: post #11

Asahi Linux supports nested virtualization on Apple Silicon M2, where the feature is present in the chip, but not exposed by macOS.

Yeah, it’s just another artificial limitation to get people to buy a newer laptop. They hit the devs where it hurts

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by nebula8804 »

deletedie wrote: post #20
walterbell wrote: post #4

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At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

I was at the most recent CCC conference and there was a discussion on "Spotting tech fictions as replacement for social and political change". What I heard was the same line of thinking I had heard since the COP21 Paris Climate Conference 10 years ago.

The solution is to push the green agenda through activism and pressuring politicians/corporations to enact sweeping motions. During this talk, they discussed pushing people to take the bus in place of getting an EV with a series of methods to penalize owning a vehicle.

Its funny how given yesterday's results the talk that happened in the last days of Dec (so just 6 months ago) is now looking obsolete but I saw this over the last 10 years as the promised commitments of COP21 fell by the wayside anyway. I used to joke about how conservatives in the US lived in a bubble. Now I am seeing techies like the OP are also in a bubble.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by DANmode »

hagbard_c wrote: post #52
tgv wrote: post #40

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And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software. May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

Linux has been 'ready for the desktop' for more than a decade, far longer for those who use it 'professionally' so that old trope can be put to pasture. As to what to run on a Linux tablet there's Plasma Mobile (KDE), Ubuntu Touch, Gnome/Phosh, PostmarketOS with any of the above and more. If you're looking for a single 'Linux tablet interface' you won't find it as there is no single 'Linux $thing' anywhere - you get…

Great and helpful comment.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by taran_narat »

Datagenerator wrote: post #59
taran_narat wrote: post #55

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I’m even less, what’s nested virtualisation?

Nested virtualization is running virtual machines inside other virtual machines. Like the movie inception

thank you, I am a noob. This sound like an amazing addition. Would this mean I could run a linux distro on an ipad which has M3 chip?

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by nebula8804 »

justinclift wrote: post #64
nebula8804 wrote: post #47

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>After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9 hit and you are complaining about a device that is not even designed to be used in a server/desktop OS configuration? >iPadOS 18 did get a calculator. This really does explain it all...Just pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple.

> There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years ... So you're saying people should just accept their old iPads can't have a meaningful life after iPadOS support ends? And that's because "Apple doesn't want them to", so that's it. No questions asked, just accept the results?

What are you talking about? Its not like the iPad shuts off as soon as year 9 rolls around. The iPad still runs and can be used for many more years.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by nebula8804 »

walterbell wrote: post #51
nebula8804 wrote: post #47

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>After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9 hit and you are complaining about a device that is not even designed to be used in a server/desktop OS configuration? >iPadOS 18 did get a calculator. This really does explain it all...Just pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple.

> pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple I'm typing this on iPad Air and looking at an iPad Pro, Mac Mini and Macbook Air.

Then you are missing out on all the cool additions that Apple introduced today. Things that are really tailored for the iPad.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by duskwuff »

Datagenerator wrote: post #59
taran_narat wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m even less, what’s nested virtualisation?

Nested virtualization is running virtual machines inside other virtual machines. Like the movie inception

For a practical example: running WSL in Windows in macOS.
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