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Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

llamaimperative wrote: post #18
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #11

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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.

Uh, no. It started as a joke, and then was absolutely adopted "as a joke" by white supremacists... which is functionally equivalent to a symbol of white supremacists. Not many people who aren't white supremacists are comfortable being labeled as one, and no one would "throw" this sign without knowledge they'd be labeled as a white supremacist, ergo either you're one of the few who's comfortable being labeled that way…

"Not many people who arent white supremecists are comfortable being labeled as one"

Wrong. Thats everyone that uses the hand sign. The joke is that cnn watched dipshits think its some kinda of white supremecist signal, so its funny to do to get under peoples skin. Thats literally all there is to it. Has nothing to do with any white power movement.

Do you know where its current popularity came from? A childrens game called ballgazer.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by throwawayForMe2 »

antognini wrote: post #69

Another hand gesture you will frequently see in religious art is a figure (usually a Pope or bishop) pointing upwards with their index and middle finger. This is somewhat unnatural since you would generally point with your index finger alone. The use of two fingers represents the divine and human natures of Christ. A few examples: https://i2.wp.com/catholicism.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/fil... https://jimmyakin.com/w…

It also frequently seen in images of the child Jesus.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

deprecative wrote: post #17
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.

And? Words and phrases are often adopted by a group to mean things they didn't. The ok hand gesture was a joke then it was embraced by Nazis and here we are. But you knew that.

No, I dont know that, because it is false.

The hand symbol is a running joke about looking at someone elses testicles. The peoppe that play this game are rowdy adolescent boys. Those boys went online and made ironic racist jokes, as young boys do, and now somehow people think its a symbol of white power. Anyone who knows whats going on is laughing at your foolishness.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

Ginguin wrote: post #16
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.

That's the magic of human beings. Once the joke spreads to the point where the people who are in on it are flashing the symbol for the lolz, it no longer matters how it started or if there is no historical basis for the connection between the symbol and certain beliefs. The association exists now, however ironically. Oh look, the guy who is racist is flashing the ok symbol. His buddy, who is in the same spaces online…

Heres the thing though, these are not self professed racists. These are people that left wing radicals are calling racist. That is a very different sitatuion than the symbol being an indicator of allegience to a "white power" movement.

It more accurately indicates affiliation with irony poisoned youth who get off on making people look stupid online

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

DonHopkins wrote: post #24
stanleykm wrote: post #14

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Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Popehat%27s%... Popehat's Law of Goats He who fucks goats, either as part of a performance or to troll those he deems has overly delicate sensibilities is simply, a goatfucker. "He claimed he was just pretending to be racist to trigger the social justice warriors, but even if he is telling the truth, Popehat's Law of Goats still applies."

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Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by dvh »

antognini wrote: post #69

Another hand gesture you will frequently see in religious art is a figure (usually a Pope or bishop) pointing upwards with their index and middle finger. This is somewhat unnatural since you would generally point with your index finger alone. The use of two fingers represents the divine and human natures of Christ. A few examples: https://i2.wp.com/catholicism.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/fil... https://jimmyakin.com/w…

The pope photo is not him pointing upward, he's doing the blessing. Imagine someone standing right in front of him and he's pointing two fingers at their head, then move to torso, then left shoulder, then right shoulder. Depending on the speed of the camera at that time, he might pose like that for a second just to take the photograph as if he's in the middle of the blessing someone. I've never seen priest doing it with one or three or four fingers.

Tldr: they're not pointing upwards, they're pointing to someone's head (the viewer of the painting/photography most likely)

I bet when they used one finger people were asking "me?" and then looked behind them to see if there is someone else. If priest uses two fingers it's obvious he's not pointing at you or someone behind you. It also helps if he points it little bit higher not just right between your eyes like a gun.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by scifi »

I just wanted to add something I didn't see mentioned in the article or the discussion. In the Christian tradition, figures are often portrayed with their pinky and ring fingers curled up, while the thumb, index, and middle fingers are extended. This is done to symbolize the holy trinity.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by runjake »

flir wrote: post #45
fidotron wrote: post #43

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> 32° Freemason here. The images and descriptions do not match any masonic hand positions I am aware of. Would you actually be able to say it if they were?

The other guard always lies.

Link to the logic puzzle that flir is referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_and_Knaves

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by llamaimperative »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #71
llamaimperative wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, no. It started as a joke, and then was absolutely adopted "as a joke" by white supremacists... which is functionally equivalent to a symbol of white supremacists. Not many people who aren't white supremacists are comfortable being labeled as one, and no one would "throw" this sign without knowledge they'd be labeled as a white supremacist, ergo either you're one of the few who's comfortable being labeled that way…

"Not many people who arent white supremecists are comfortable being labeled as one" Wrong. Thats everyone that uses the hand sign. The joke is that cnn watched dipshits think its some kinda of white supremecist signal, so its funny to do to get under peoples skin. Thats literally all there is to it. Has nothing to do with any white power movement. Do you know where its current popularity came from? A childrens game c…

Let me know if I got this right:

You're purposely making other people mistake you for a racist... solely for the purpose of upsetting them... and when they get upset and think you're a racist... they're the "dipshits"?

Yeah, everyone knows the origin and they know the cover story. Even and especially in light of those facts, if a grown adult does it, they're either 1) a racist, 2) an asshole, 3) a moron, or 4) a combination of the above. No one is calling out children for playing a children's game. They're calling out adults who are either identifying as racists or pretend identifying as racists in order to be an asshole to other people, otherwise known as "being an asshole."

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by JoeDaDude »

odyssey7 wrote: post #32

> hands were as important a focus of attention as the face was, because they were the only other visible area of the body Huh, I had always assumed the reason that they were featured in renaissance art was the trend of depicting subjects with a sort of realism, combined with hands tending to be a more difficult feature for artists to master; so a good depiction of hands showcases the skill of the artist and enhances…

I am reminded of a short scene in the film Goya's Ghosts, where the artists claims to charge more if the portrait he is painting includes one or two hands.
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