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Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

#71

The Usage section hopefully rather under-sells it: 'Simply Command + drag your menu bar items to rearrange them.' ... err yes, that's how MacOS works without add-ons

Judging by the last thread about Bartender, when people were discussing alternatives, some people did not even know that was how you can rearrange your menu icons. So I can see why it's worth mentioning.

Also worth mentioning that this behaviour is completely undiscoverable, just like most power user interactions on macOS.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

#72
Fyi regarding Bartender;

You could just use "Little Snitch", block internet for Bartender, and keep using the latest safe version for a while: v5.0.49.

Restore it from a backup if you can, and disable updates. Also, here’s the “v5.0.49” file hash:

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/0ce40bb5d6f0605c91ae2dc6...

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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It doesn't matter, this is not a property of the OS or the menubar location, just an unenforced convention that you can adhere to on Windows as well

Given that the convention seems more often followed on macOS can't it be a property of the environment of macOS developers usually following the conventions better than on Windows? Even if not an inherent property of the system it's an emergent one, something causes it if it's not restricted by the system itself but is still a property that apps developed for macOS are much more homogeneous in their menus UI implemen…

If you shroud this basic misunderstanding in so much emergent mystery, sure, but otherwise no, and the real reason is simple enough - that's just one of the defaults in some "UI kits", which macOS devs can also use, including "disparate or bespoke" ones, and could've been just as consistent without it being positioned at the single top spot

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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I had to install one of these tools recently because of the notch on newer macbooks, they hide icons that overflow and you never notice it. For a while I thought my apps were erroring and not opening properly.

You have to manage it yourself with one of these tools otherwise they are lost to the void in my experience.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Sadly Apple picked neither option. 3rd party apps cannot meaningfully interact with Spaces for example, even basic things like moving windows between spaces or adjusting the animation speed so it's not nauseating on ultrawides.

There is a way to switch spaces instantly. If anyone actually cares I’ll dig up my solution.

I care! Does your solution involve disabling SIP?

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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I haven't found any apps on macOS the past 15 years where the "print" option wasn't where it's expected to be, would like an example just for the fun of it.

It doesn't matter, this is not a property of the OS or the menubar location, just an unenforced convention that you can adhere to on Windows as well

> just an unenforced convention that you can adhere to on Windows as well

And yet on Windows I often have to do a Where’s Waldo for certain options or even submenus. On macOS it has been crystal clear where to find these options for almost 25 years if we count from Mac OS X, and you can trace some the lineage back all the way to Mac OS 1 which was launched 40 years (!) ago.

The thing that has finally started to chip away at this steely adherence to UI conventions is nothing other than poorly made Electron applications, which ironically Linux can actually get nice menu options for via Dbus trickery :)

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the convention seems more often followed on macOS can't it be a property of the environment of macOS developers usually following the conventions better than on Windows? Even if not an inherent property of the system it's an emergent one, something causes it if it's not restricted by the system itself but is still a property that apps developed for macOS are much more homogeneous in their menus UI implemen…

If you shroud this basic misunderstanding in so much emergent mystery, sure, but otherwise no, and the real reason is simple enough - that's just one of the defaults in some "UI kits", which macOS devs can also use, including "disparate or bespoke" ones, and could've been just as consistent without it being positioned at the single top spot

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Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Offtopic, but am I the only person surprised how badly Apple stalled when it comes to window management and UX on MacOS? I feel that today, as a power user/professional, MacOS wouldn't be usable without applications like Bartender, external window manager such as Rectangle/Divvy etc. I feel strong attraction coming from yabai, but disabling SIP is too much for me. Personally I'm reaching the point where I'd migrate t…

Stage Manager was introduced in Ventura, which is definitely a form of window management. I don't think you can call that "badly stalled"?
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