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Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by belter »

nullfield wrote: post #68
belter wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please point to a documentation reference that shows an officially supported way, to completely disable all telemetry on Windows OS...

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/manage-con... is about as close as we get.

If you search the page for telemetry you will notice that you have to create a non existing Registry key, under the promise many services will stop working...

Also: "Services Configuration is used by Windows components and apps, such as the telemetry service, to dynamically update their configuration. If you turn off this service, apps using this service may stop working."

But they are referring to telemetry as in updating apps metadata so using weasel words.

It just ways to manage and minimize telemetry data Windows 10 and Windows 11 send to Microsoft, focusing on settings, Group Policies, and registry configurations. It explicitly states that certain data connections,cannot be disabled. This implies that completely removing telemetry is impossible.

They are also known to re-enable these settings with each Windows Update....

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by DougN7 »

I work for a company that has a product that, as part of other functionality, can selectively block access to any file, so it could simply block access to the database, or even the Recall exe/dlls themselves. We’ve been debating about releasing a simple/free “always block access to these files” app because of all the BS Microsoft is putting in. We’d probably do it under a separate company to protect the main product from retaliation. Is this of interest? What else do we need to think of?

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by saagarjha »

barrkel wrote: post #69
Kototama wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not correlated. Android has sandboxing and you can run your own applications.

I can't run with full authority on Android, however. My own apps can't access my own data from other apps that I run. This is not something I can forego on my main computing device. I'm willing to tolerate it in a phone because it's just a tool; I wouldn't use a phone to store data I wouldn't mind losing.

What kind of solution are you looking for here? The ability to sign your own apps with a platform signature?

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by benterix »

DougN7 wrote: post #72

I work for a company that has a product that, as part of other functionality, can selectively block access to any file, so it could simply block access to the database, or even the Recall exe/dlls themselves. We’ve been debating about releasing a simple/free “always block access to these files” app because of all the BS Microsoft is putting in. We’d probably do it under a separate company to protect the main product…

Definitely do it under a different name, MS can be quite vindicative.

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by worthless-trash »

bsmartt wrote: post #43
worthless-trash wrote: post #33

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> Microsoft can't access or view the snapshots. And yet.. > Q. So how does it work? > A. Every few seconds, screenshots are taken. These are automatically OCR’d by Azure AI, running on your device, and written into an SQLite database in the user’s folder. Heads up, Microsoft runs azure. They likely get it before the local users database does.

right, azure ai running on your device. microsoft cannot access shit on your device. by saying this, you are also claiming microsoft has windows 11 backdoored. and thanks for the heads up, thats news to me.

Azure AI isn't the hosted service ? ( https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/solutions/ai ? )

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by benterix »

nullfield wrote: post #68
belter wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please point to a documentation reference that shows an officially supported way, to completely disable all telemetry on Windows OS...

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/manage-con... is about as close as we get.

It doesn't show how to disable all of it, only some. (Not to mention that they deliberately change things between upgrades so your setting may or may not work tomorrow.)

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by benterix »

sanitycheck wrote: post #48
mvdtnz wrote: post #39

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As a user and programmer - good. Sandboxing is what is ruining modern software. I want to be able to reach into my file system with software. I want software to be able to integrate with other software even if those programs don't have APIs or weren't designed for integration. I want to be able to easily install mods for games. Most of all I don't want to manage annoying permissions screens and popups for every non t…

I'm the opposite. As a user I'm not realistically going to audit every new line of code in a piece of software with every update (if I even can) and I do not at all like the current model where we have to trust software creators blindly. It's the reason anti-virus/malware software is necessary on Windows. As a developer I would much rather that users don't have to trust us blindly, "this app only needs an internet co…

I am both of you - sometimes I want to do things in the main filesystem, sometimes I want to test an app in a sandbox - and I use a virtual machine for that.

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by EdwardDiego »

bsmartt wrote: post #46
EdwardDiego wrote: post #29

Working at a company in the healthcare space, this raises so many HIPPA compliance questions for our customers it's hilarious. And by hilarious, I mean bad. Screenshots of PHI? Sweet as, just chuck them in an SQLite DB, no worries there.

well good news, this feature can be 100% disabled by your IT team, and you dont need these snapdragon high end consumer laptops in your hospital anyway. why am i having to defend microsoft? have we all lost our minds? or do we just shoot first, ask questions later for the lulz

You know how I said "our customers"? Yeah, so it's _their_ computers facing this issue, and we have no control over the computers they use our software on. Because, obviously.

> do we just shoot first, ask questions later for the lulz

Oh mate, this is so ironic that I'm also convinced you're doing it on purpose.

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by Brian_K_White »

ankurdhama wrote: post #51
klauserc wrote: post #44

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There is Windows S Mode where you can only run Windows Store apps and only use Microsoft Edge. That should qualify for "proper sandboxing", shouldn't it? Then again, no one who needs an actually useful computer runs Windows in S mode.

> Then again, no one who needs an actually useful computer runs Windows in S mode. That's because of all useful apps for Windows are not sandboxed. This is where the apps vendor have to do the required work but they are too lazy to do that.

Sandboxing itself makes the apps not useful.

Re: Microsoft Research chief scientist has no issue with Recall

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Post by doublepg23 »

bsmartt wrote: post #46
EdwardDiego wrote: post #29

Working at a company in the healthcare space, this raises so many HIPPA compliance questions for our customers it's hilarious. And by hilarious, I mean bad. Screenshots of PHI? Sweet as, just chuck them in an SQLite DB, no worries there.

well good news, this feature can be 100% disabled by your IT team, and you dont need these snapdragon high end consumer laptops in your hospital anyway. why am i having to defend microsoft? have we all lost our minds? or do we just shoot first, ask questions later for the lulz

Not sure if you’ve been following Computex but every manufacturer I saw promised Copilot+ support with the upcoming crop of x86 chips. This isn’t going to be a one-off thing on ARM.
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