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I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by worble »

nacs wrote: post #65
hurutparittya wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Firefox hate is completely justified. At this point the only positive thing about Firefox is that "at least it's not Chrome".

As a Firefox user, this exactly. The amount of things that now need to be toggled off on a new install are approaching Windows “telemetry” levels: disable sponsored shortcuts on homepage, disable experimental “Studies”, sponsored suggestions in search bar, “suggested extensions”, Pocket, and the list goes on. I really need to look into a privacy friendly fork of FF..

I don't use it myself, but Librewolf is a pretty popular fork that attempts to be private out of the box and is usually updated pretty quickly.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by losvedir »

Oh, this is interesting. As a GitHub sponsor of Andreas for a while now, what does that mean for sponsors? Are we funding exclusively work on LadyBird? (Had we been, for some time already?) Does the SerenityOS project have a GitHub sponsor?

I personally had grown more interested in the browser anyway, so I'll just keep sponsoring Andreas, I suppose, unless this all is a prelude to VC investment or a big company acquisition or something...

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by wk_end »

HeckFeck wrote: post #25

I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…

Haiku?

https://www.haiku-os.org/

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by awesomekling »

losvedir wrote: post #72

Oh, this is interesting. As a GitHub sponsor of Andreas for a while now, what does that mean for sponsors? Are we funding exclusively work on LadyBird? (Had we been, for some time already?) Does the SerenityOS project have a GitHub sponsor? I personally had grown more interested in the browser anyway, so I'll just keep sponsoring Andreas, I suppose, unless this all is a prelude to VC investment or a big company acqui…

Thank you so much for sponsoring me! :)

As I wrote in the announcement, I've already been working primarily on Ladybird for ~2 years already, so you have indeed been sponsoring Ladybird development by sponsoring me.

SerenityOS doesn't have a GitHub Sponsors itself, but it does use Polar to allow anyone to directly sponsor work on specific issues. See https://polar.sh/SerenityOS

And don't worry, there won't be some VC investment or big company buyout.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by [deleted] »

doublerabbit wrote: post #69
suby wrote: post #51

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The audacity to call this shameful is striking to me. If you feel strongly enough that this free, open source, extremely limited resource project (working on one of the largest problem spaces..) doesn't support FreeBSD, port it yourself instead of casting shame on others for not doing it. Hopefully your comment is more lighthearted than I'm giving it credit for.

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Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by stephen_g »

qalmakka wrote: post #3

I guess SerenityOS is somewhat doomed now? I never saw this kind of move ending well, honestly. Even when not involved, having the original around is always a great boon to the popularity of a project. I for one would love to see the SerenityOS GUI ported to Wayland on Windows. It's precisely what I ask for from an OS honestly.

Define ‘doomed’. As far as I can tell, SerenityOS did everything (and much more) than Andreas ever hoped it would.

It was never meant to be a ‘mass-market’ general purpose OS, but could still turn into one (or be the basis that one is built from) if the right maintainers steer it that way. But even if it doesn’t I’m glad that it existed, and that it spawned Ladybird is pretty crazy and awesome.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by bgribble »

The_Colonel wrote: post #22
1GZ0 wrote: post #17

Ladybird has garnered a level of mainstream attention that SerenityOS never really managed to. The browser has the potential to impact many more people, and the project is well funded by large investors. It makes sense that Andreas would shift his focus to LadyBird at this point. While Safari is busy being Safari and Firefox is busy eating glue in the corner, I'd love to see LadyBird become a real contender in the br…

I agree (apart from the popular hate on Firefox). Ladybird is promising and has a much bigger chance to make an impact than SerenityOS. But it's a bit disappointing to see that it's still pretty much a one-man project. Especially to have a chance to get close to the performance of Chrome and Firefox, it will need a large investment. The amount of engineering resources poured into just making JavaScript fast is mind-n…

> But it's a bit disappointing to see that it's still pretty much a one-man project.

I don't know much about this project and I have never used it. But in my experience as a developer and user of software I couldn't disagree more.

The longer something can stay a one-person project, the better! Nothing kills creativity, innovation, and velocity faster than having to make every decision by committee.

Big communities are great when a project is in its maturity and mostly needs tending and slow evolution. They mitigate the risk of a single developer getting bored and walking away, or turning into a murderous wacko, or attempting to monetize the project to death. Not naming any names.

But when something is being built from scratch? Give me a single developer with a fat internet connection, alone in a cabin in the woods with a shed out back full of Red Bull :)

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by ZiiS »

rascul wrote: post #70
teekert wrote: post #39

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Yeah I agree. Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. People say it’s not doable but this here is a real opportunity.

> Would be nice to see a browser option that is not 20+ years old. Chrome is less than 20 years old.

KHTML+KJS released in 1998, via WebKit from 2001, in 2008 it gained the Chrome name, but the code has more than 20 years of legacy.
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