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AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by adrian_b »

aurareturn wrote: post #37
muxator wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How come is a 15% IPC increase generation for generation a disappointing result? There might be greener pastures, I agree, but a 15% increase year over year for the quality factor of a product is nothing to be disappointed of. It's good execution, even more so in a mature and competitive sector such as microelectronics.

It's not year over year. It's 2 years. It's disappointing because M4 is significantly ahead. I would expect Zen to make a bigger leap to catch up. Also, this small leap opens up for Intel's Arrow Lake to take the lead.

Actually from Zen 4 to Zen 5 there is a little more than one year and a half (supposing that they will indeed go on sale in July), almost matching the AMD announcement done around the launch of Zen 4 that they will shorten the time between generations from 2 years to 1 1/2 years.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by KingOfCoders »

phonon wrote: post #57
KingOfCoders wrote: post #44

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I would love to quote a compiler comparison, but I don't know a good and accepted compiler benchmark. What would you use as a compiler benchmark? (Preferably Go, but I assume Rust would be better, as it is much slower, so the differences are bigger) (corrected my c&p mistake with the mini, thanks)

You can look at the Geekbench 6 component. https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench6-benchmark-internals... (page 18)

Thanks, Clang looks good, now I need to check how to sort CPUs/systems by the Clang benchmark, no success for now.

"Randomly" picking

    14900K     215.3 Klines/sec  
    7950x      230.3 Klines/sec  
    M2 Ultra   233.9 Klines/sec
    M3 Max     196.5 Klines/sec

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by diffeomorphism »

gautamcgoel wrote: post #3

Surprisingly not that much to be excited about IMO. AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node and the CPUs only officially support DDR5 speeds up to 5600MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM). The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2.

Nah, you can get RDNA3.5 if you want to (not sure why you want that in a (home)server though)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21419/amd-announces-the-ryzen...

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by moooo99 »

doikor wrote: post #28
gautamcgoel wrote: post #3

Surprisingly not that much to be excited about IMO. AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node and the CPUs only officially support DDR5 speeds up to 5600MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM). The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2.

> The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2. The GPU on these parts is there mostly for being able to boot into BIOS or OS for debugging. Basically when things go wrong and you want to debug what is broken (remove GPU from machine and see if things work)

Hard disagree on that one. I am daily driving an RDNA2 graphics unit for 1.5 years now and it’s absolutely sufficient. I mostly do office work and occasionally play Minecraft. It’s absolutely sufficient for that and I don’t see any reason why you‘d want to waste money on a dGPU for that kind of load

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by esskay »

ZiiS wrote: post #41
esskay wrote: post #31

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We dont really need a Pi killer anymore. They've done a fine job of killing it themselves. Their community has shrunk massively due to low cost mini pc's being leaps and bounds better value than a Pi now. Their two fingers being put up at the hacker/tinkerer hobbyist market over the last few years combined with the IPO and shift to B2B has made it very clear where their priorities lie. Unless you need the GPIO theres…

Try matching the size, power draw, and price of the Zero.

Thats about the only area the Pi is superior at this point. For the usecases where a zero is all you need its a no brainer, but many are using them as home servers and such. Even a basic wireless camera feed can be a struggle for the zero so it's usecases are certainly limited, but its power to performance is great for its price.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by moooo99 »

ZiiS wrote: post #41
esskay wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We dont really need a Pi killer anymore. They've done a fine job of killing it themselves. Their community has shrunk massively due to low cost mini pc's being leaps and bounds better value than a Pi now. Their two fingers being put up at the hacker/tinkerer hobbyist market over the last few years combined with the IPO and shift to B2B has made it very clear where their priorities lie. Unless you need the GPIO theres…

Try matching the size, power draw, and price of the Zero.

The zero is a cool device and I found some uses for it, but realistically it’s not at all comparable to the raspberry Pi people (used to) love

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by 123yawaworht456 »

matharmin wrote: post #54
doikor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2. The GPU on these parts is there mostly for being able to boot into BIOS or OS for debugging. Basically when things go wrong and you want to debug what is broken (remove GPU from machine and see if things work)

These are decent GPUs for anything other than heavy gaming. I'm driving two 4k screens with it, and even for some light gaming (such as factorio) it's completely fine.

I'm under the impression that Factorio can run on any GPU capable of producing video output at all. years ago when I played it, it ran perfectly fine on whatever iGPU my 4790K had. 60 FPS/UPS with pretty big bases (although iirc I did disable all video effects like smoke to avoid cluttering the screen)

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by moooo99 »

Wytwwww wrote: post #32
Cu3PO42 wrote: post #27

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Intel still fabs their own CPUs, their dedicated Xe graphics are made by TSMC, though. Nvidia 30-series was fabbed by Samsung. So there is some competition in the high-end space, but not much. All of these companies rely on buying lithography machines from ASML, though.

>Intel still fabs their own CPUs Isn't Lunar Lake made by TSMC? Supposedly they have comparable efficiency to AMD/Apple/Qualcomm at the cost of making their fab business even less profitable

AFAIK there are some components that are made by TSMC while some others are still made at Intels own fabs

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by nubinetwork »

erinnh wrote: post #70
nubinetwork wrote: post #67

I'd love to replace my 2950x, but most desktop motherboards still don't support 128gb of memory.

I just had a look and the comparison website I use says there are 113 motherboards that support 128GB or more memory for AM5. (in my local market. so the US probably has even more) 128GB isn't exactly a lot, so that would surprise me if it wasnt supported.

I think for a while there, the only way to be able to use 128gb was to go TR4 or TRX... I kindof stopped looking for a while, but 100+ boards is certainly a nice change.

Re: AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5

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Post by lldb »

nubinetwork wrote: post #67

I'd love to replace my 2950x, but most desktop motherboards still don't support 128gb of memory.

You can run 4x32 DDR5 on current gen AMD consumer platforms but don't expect speeds above 4400MHz in quad-channel regardless of what the module is rated for. I'd instead suggest dual channel 48GB DIMMs for 96GB at full speed.
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