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Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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"one simple principle: make good products and charge money for them." Thank you for the one-time purchase option. It's a win already on today's software world.

I give it 2 years before they have regressed to a subscription model.

They have been around successfully selling apps with this business model for a lot longer than 2 years, why do you think they plan on changing it?

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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On graphene is so I'm unsure how well this could work...but I might recommend this to my family members that only buy iphones.

Question I do have though: is the purchase done through the app store or your website, and if its done via the app store or website, can I use it on as many of my own devices attached to the account? Or is it more of a 1 liscense per device?

Second: the presents you have sound nice and you mention that "Of course you can turn off Instant Grade to save the original Apple Log footage, allowing you the flexibility to change your look in our video reviewer. " does this support saving the original apple log footage, then opening that footage in the app and being able to preview how the different effects would look? And can I export the effected footage as a copy of the original that way I can have both the original and graded footage without overwriting the original data?

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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I'm tempted to buy this while it's discounted, but if I'm a realist, I've taken 7 videos this year for a total of 2 minutes 47 seconds. I'm probably not the target market, but I'm glad to know options like this exist.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notice the quotes around the "8 seconds" rule. It's not a rule, but that's what it is known as. I mainly know it from the audio world, but it was a common theme/trope/meme in radio shows about using music without royalties. Whether or not it's described in the text of copyright law, it is a common concept people are familiar.

Nitpickiest of nits: given your intended description, the quotes should be around “rule” not “8 second”. When around “rule”, that implies it’s not really a rule. When around “8 second” it implies that it’s not 8 seconds exactly or it’s what it’s colloquially called, but it would still be a rule. Regardless, the fair use laws are very loose and tend to vary depending on the medium type and association with product. An…

Do you really think that this company is implying that they made The Matrix or Dune? It is clearly just an example used to aid in the discussion of the surrounding text. There is no claim of "we used this software to make Dune". If they had, you can assume they would have put that out in some sort of call out in their marketing.

If you were confused by the image as them trying to take credit, then boy, I don't know.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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"one simple principle: make good products and charge money for them." Thank you for the one-time purchase option. It's a win already on today's software world.

I give it 2 years before they have regressed to a subscription model.

Personally, even if I don't personally purchase this, I hope your wrong because I am strongly against subscriptions in most cases.

I see cases where it makes sense...but I also see the need for development to get paid their salery, and once you have reached all the users you can....their is no new user growth....and if your just selling based off a one time fee then that means you got very little income except the random guy who might donate, but a company shouldn't rely on donations to keep products alive.

If the thing needs updates or changes regularly say once very 6 months....due to changes in standard or just keeping things updated....this stuff costs money to keep developers paid.

My crude C program I wrote that converts an input between celcius or Fahrenheit is not really going to change. Unless I want to also support data inputs other than floating point numbers, I don't need to update or modify anything. But other stuff is more complex and might change due to standards, advancements, and the needs of the users.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I give it 2 years before they have regressed to a subscription model.

They have been around successfully selling apps with this business model for a lot longer than 2 years, why do you think they plan on changing it?

FiLMiC Pro, another pro camera app for iPhone, also existed for years [0] and sold with the one-time-purchase business model. They're now a subscription [1] and owned by Bending Spoons / Evernote. (Plus, more bad news [2]...)

[0]: http://web.archive.org/web/20111130073123/http://www.filmicp...

[1]: https://www.cined.com/filmic-pro-is-joining-forces-with-bend...

[2]: https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/3/23986187/filmic-staff-lai...

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I give it 2 years before they have regressed to a subscription model.

They have been around successfully selling apps with this business model for a lot longer than 2 years, why do you think they plan on changing it?

What happens is you run out of new people to sell your niche app to (or hit a long rather thin tail) while continuing to provide updates for your existing userbase. So you either have to release arbitrary new versions from time to time leaving the old ones neglected and eventually unsupported (or with the overhead of supporting several versions) or you switch to a subscription model.

It's happened with so many businesses.

Maybe the solution here is to stop supporting new phones with old versions. So your app works forever but if you upgrade your phone you have to buy the software again. It's hard to find what feels fair.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Looks very cool - but will be curious to see how the results from this end up comparing to Blackmagic's excellent (and free) pro iOS video app ( https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagiccamera )

I don't see a way to grade the footage from within the BMD app. Their app seems more designed to take advantage of the ProRes/log captures intended to be used in Resolve Studio. This app allows you to do the grading on your device. So that's a pretty obvious difference. If you're someone using Resolve, you'll probably be enticed by the BMD app as it fits your existing workflow. If you're someone looking to stay on device or just don't have a computer, this gets you to a similar ability right there

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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On graphene is so I'm unsure how well this could work...but I might recommend this to my family members that only buy iphones. Question I do have though: is the purchase done through the app store or your website, and if its done via the app store or website, can I use it on as many of my own devices attached to the account? Or is it more of a 1 liscense per device? Second: the presents you have sound nice and you me…

It's a paid-up-front app, so you buy it through the App Store, which means you can use it with any device you have that's signed into the same App Store account. I don't see any in-app purchases.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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On Android there is https://www.motioncamapp.com/ which has been doing raw video for years.

Is there an equivalent to Halide or Spectre (for raw still photos/long-exposure photos) for Android?

My Thinkphone has a pretty awesome camera and native camera app with integrated RAW output, but these apps do often provide some features and polish beyond what's available in that tool. For example, I was just trying to take a long-exposure photo of the aurora (visible a couple weeks ago here in Michgan) and the limits on even the manual controls had ranges that limited what I could do. Spectre (or its equivalent) would have been awesome to have.

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