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ICJ orders Israel to stop military operation in Rafah

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to stop military operation in Rafah

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Post by sillywalk »

michael1999 wrote: post #38
markus_zhang wrote: post #6

The ICJ is powerless. How does it purpose to enforce it, or anything?

The ICJ can issue warrants for individuals, and the many signatories are then obliged to arrest those people should they travel. Even Kissinger had to take care where he changed planes.

I think you're confusing the ICJ with the ICC.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) settles legal disputes between UN member States, and it's rulings are expected to be upheld and enforced by UN States, or ultimately the UN Security Council.

The International Criminal Court is the one that can issue arrest warrants against individuals.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to stop military operation in Rafah

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Post by tsimionescu »

surfingdino wrote: post #63
implements wrote: post #14

During the Falklands War there were discussions in British political circles about what death toll would be unacceptable to liberate 1,800 people from Argentine occupation and rule - a calculus on the value of human life vs geopolitical concerns, I guess. The global consensus seems to be that Israel’s current actions have become excessive - if that’s true, I wonder where the line between legitimate and illegitimate r…

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By this standard, the Oct 7th attack itself is justified by the litany of unethical acts committed against the people of Gaza before; and those are themselves justified by the unethical acts committed by Gazan terrorists, and on and on.

In reality, everyone is responsible for their own unethical acts, and it's completely unethical to respond to an unethical act with an unethical act of your own.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to stop military operation in Rafah

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Post by davidguetta »

implements wrote: post #14

During the Falklands War there were discussions in British political circles about what death toll would be unacceptable to liberate 1,800 people from Argentine occupation and rule - a calculus on the value of human life vs geopolitical concerns, I guess. The global consensus seems to be that Israel’s current actions have become excessive - if that’s true, I wonder where the line between legitimate and illegitimate r…

Its also simply becausz its not just about self defense.

People would care less if israel was not actively supporting illegal settlers and that extremists killed ytzak rabin that was looking for peace. Or that netanyahu was on camera saying he wants to make palestinian civilians suffer as much as possible while he negociates in bad faith and doesnt respect the usa that are 'easy to manoeuver".

Its not just about hamas

Re: ICJ orders Israel to stop military operation in Rafah

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Post by immibis »

tsimionescu wrote: post #65
gizmo686 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 2008 https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-107publ206/html/PLA... > (a) Authority.--The President is authorized to use all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any person described in subsection (b) who is being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court. > (b) Persons Authorized To Be Freed.--The authority of subsection (a) shall…

Wow, I didn't know it extended that much. Insane to think they then have the gall to claim they are an actor for a rules-based world order...

They are. The rules are: heads I win, tails you lose.

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Post by dlubarov »

stanfordkid wrote: post #53
BunsanSpace wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"History did not start on Oct 7, 2023" Where should we start? When the arabs colonized the levant? or the many massacres of native jews? The wars of aggression by arabs? This conflict is awfully messy and each side has a laundry list of legitimate grievances.

Not really. It’s absurd to draw the line into ancient history of Arab’s colonizing the Levant. Early 1900s to 1948 are more reasonable given that people actually exist that lived in this time or at least meaningful records of history. The fact is the British/UN gave a bunch of land to people that wasn’t really theirs to give. Nakba happened (which is illegal to even talk about in Israel) which was already a mass geno…

> Nakba happened (which is illegal to even talk about in Israel)

This is very inaccurate, the actual law is described here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Law#Provisions

Re: ICJ orders Israel to stop military operation in Rafah

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Post by mardifoufs »

surfingdino wrote: post #63
implements wrote: post #14

During the Falklands War there were discussions in British political circles about what death toll would be unacceptable to liberate 1,800 people from Argentine occupation and rule - a calculus on the value of human life vs geopolitical concerns, I guess. The global consensus seems to be that Israel’s current actions have become excessive - if that’s true, I wonder where the line between legitimate and illegitimate r…

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Wait is that a statement in support of Hamas? Or is it just unethical actions from Palestinians that get that treatment? Otherwise wouldn't an occupation followed by a blockade count as an unethical action that doesn't merit an ethical response?
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