I mean anyone can already pirate Ableton and make world class music if they are so inclined.
But they'd still need to invest some time and effort. How dare you!
Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
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Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#72This kind of mission of "enabling anyone to do X" seems to undermine the value it claims to provide. So, if anyone can make music, then what's the value of being able to make music? But, if what it enables still requires some rare talent or significant learning to make good music, then how is that different from today? And, well, anyone can already make bad music. Or maybe I'm just in my greybeard "get off my lawn" m…
Everyone should make music. Singing to yourself doesn't make it valueless. Singing with family and friends provides great value.
You were sold a lie that only certain people make good music and you need to spend money.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Suno et al are trained on existing music created by humans. What happens when "real" musicians will stop publishing new material out of frustration because they will drown in a sea of AI generated garbage?
I'm sure it's possible to guide them to originality. And, in fact, even Suno at this very early stage in its development is capable of creating original music, sometimes even by accident. I had wanted to coax it to produce structured/"melodic" dark ambient music like this: https://youtu.be/2L-lA0xqzKo?si=SESlJhPjKvRyUeTm&t=614 What it came up with was not much like what I had intended. It appears to have interpreted…
I am sure you can use it in original ways. I got some pretty interesting and strange results myself by giving it contradictory or absurd
prompts.
I am a composer of experimental music and I can totally see how I could incorporate these AI tools into my existing art practice and use it in transformative ways. But that's not how most people - and the bad actors in particular - will use it!
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#74Sure, anyone can make music so long as they pay the Suno tax. While I appreciate the technical achievement, this kind of technology disempowers as much as it empowers. The process of automation inherently devalues the process that is being automated. It is easy to say this doesn't matter if the process being automated is meaningless or unimportant to you.
Making music is not just about whether a song measures up to some objective standard of goodness. It is about the process of connection and sharing between the musician and audience (which I mean in a broad way -- it could be another musician in the band). There are many amazing musical experiences that I have had that are not possible except in a live experience. My concern is that these kinds of tools will dissuade people from participating, in no small part because ai music is better than what most people can produce -- by the standards of recorded music. Why should I even try if I can't even come close to an ai?
In a worst case scenario, and I'm not saying this will happen, ai generated art (not just music) creates a doom loop where people stop making art themselves. Communities formed around participation in art wither away and we lose the ability to make art ourselves. We then become solely reliant upon ai for art, which means that art will primarily be consumed through the human -> ai interface rather than the human -> human interface. I'm not opposed to people experimenting with ai but I am worried about it replacing the human -> human interface and, frankly, the last 20 years of social media give me ample reason for those concerns.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#75I don't think the Big Three record labels will want to stop this, even if it's massive copyright infringement, because it's not a threat to their business model. Labels create a whole ecosystem around a limited set of artists through marketing and tastemaking, then capture multiple revenue streams (streaming, licensing) for the few artists who people mostly play and pay for. They aggressively persuade musicians to si…
The tastemaking ecosystem is now dominated by Spotify, who only cares about paying less to license content.
Even outside streaming, the labels should care about AI-generated works edging out material from their own catalogs for licensing opportunities.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#76This kind of mission of "enabling anyone to do X" seems to undermine the value it claims to provide. So, if anyone can make music, then what's the value of being able to make music? But, if what it enables still requires some rare talent or significant learning to make good music, then how is that different from today? And, well, anyone can already make bad music. Or maybe I'm just in my greybeard "get off my lawn" m…
Everyone should make music. Singing to yourself doesn't make it valueless. Singing with family and friends provides great value. You were sold a lie that only certain people make good music and you need to spend money.
>you were sold a lie that only certain people make good music and you need to spend money.
Well, I didn't say any of that, so not quite sure what you're talking about.
>Everyone should make music. Singing to yourself doesn't make it valueless... with family and friends...
Yes. That was my point. Anyone can sing to themselves or with family and friends now.
But, I am guilty of not reading the article and grouped it with the spate of AI tools promising to enable anyone in a manner that gives them some marketplace advantage.
I see now that this is not that. They claim instead to want to help amateurs and first-timers get into music for the fun of it. More power to them.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
We were already there a few years ago before the generative AI boom. I'm starting to wonder if this stuff is actually going to make real art "hand made" by real people more valuable in some ways because it'll stand out from the mountains of auto-generated trash. Problem will be finding it.
> Problem will be finding it. Exactly! Looks like we will need more curation again.
Yahoo was ahead of its time.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#78It is kind of crazy that "BBL Drizzy" of all things set a precedent. Using AI to create an incomplete song and then a real producer using it as a royalty-free sample to create an actual hit song. I could see this paradigm becoming insanely popular with indie artists to make high quality / low skill backing tracks for their vocals.
If you want to see how AI music is going to play out, just look at how AI images have played out already. AI tools are used pretty ubiquitously now by digital illustrators, who use it to flesh out or quickly build up a prototype from hand drawn outlines, then add finishing flourishes to make it look "human."
The difference between music and image though is that very few people work professionally with audio. Just consider how many Photoshop/Figma licenses your average company has, and how many Logic/Ableton licenses they own.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#79This is about generating something to consume though, not make? Making music is about so much more than the end product. It's the path not the destination etc. You learn so much about life when you have an artistic practice in general (not just music). I'm perfectly fine embracing AI tools, but clicking some buttons to generate a song isn't making music.
Agree. Or, put another way, "How is this fun?"
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#80Humans pushed the game of Go in new directions after AlphaGo bested us.
Maybe this will happen with art. In any case, I'll still listen to human-generated music.
--Glass is half full department