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Re: Seriously? Ads?

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Google Wallet is actually fairly useless. To load it up you need a credit card. If you have a credit card, you could just as well, uhm, use a credit card.

I think your parent was being sarcastic. We need a sarcasm tag in HTML.

I was aware of that. But parent did raise an interesting point. Google Wallet isn't doing too great. Why?

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#72
This thread is interesting in that some people are arguing they wouldn't trust Facebook with their cc. To me this makes no sense as the likelihood of fb doing anything funky with your cc details once obtained seems highly unlikely.

If something does go wrong cc have very good insurance on them. The problem does seem to be a general resentment and paranoia of large companies. I dont think fb are going to cook up a half baked solution for anything like this, there's every likelihood they will do it as securely as the next especially with the strict laws and regulations around implementing such systems.

Everyone with a cc has probably used it in far less secure environments than fb could ever be, for example pubs, bars, resteraunts, independent shops etc.

If fb did a payment system it would annoy me briefly as another payment system I'd inevitably have to register with at some point but that's realistically as far as the problems would go.

Re: Seriously? Ads?

#73
This thread is interesting in that some people are arguing they wouldn't trust Facebook with their cc. To me this makes no sense as the likelihood of fb doing anything funky with your cc details once obtained seems highly unlikely.

If something does go wrong cc have very good insurance on them. The problem does seem to be a general resentment and paranoia of large companies. I dont think fb are going to cook up a half baked solution for anything like this, there's every likelihood they will do it as securely as the next especially with the strict laws and regulations around implementing such systems.

Everyone with a cc has probably used it in far less secure environments than fb could ever be, for example pubs, bars, resteraunts, independent shops etc.

If fb did a payment system it would annoy me briefly as another payment system I'd inevitably have to register with at some point but that's realistically as far as the problems would go.

Re: Seriously? Ads?

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Well, Google is also struggling with Social. It doesn't mean that if Google checkout failed no one else can do anything good.

I think the point being made is that simply having a strong brand and bright engineers does not mean you can solve any problem you try to tackle.

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Re: Seriously? Ads?

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"Standard" debit cards aren't really standard outside the US either. Maestro (chip + PIN) doesn't work online, for example.

My VISA (chip + PIN) works without any problems for online purchases. Some sites even transfer me to my bank's payment gateway that sends me an SMS with a number in order to be able to pay. I don't have a credit card. I know a lot of people who does but rarely uses them, debit cards feel more secure than credit cards against theft/fraud (and I'm not really sure if they are, I don't think so).

My VISA ... I don't have a credit card

Visa is a credit card, however. In Europe, it's often tacked onto a regular debit card, but it's a separate thing not everyone has.

Re: Seriously? Ads?

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Credit cards are big in the US, maybe, but in the rest of the world not everyone has them.

For the purposes of most online payments a standard debit card can be used interchangeably with a credit card.

Maybe in the US.

In Brazil, I do not know a single debit card that will allow international purchases, or that will be allowed in Paypal (even though Paypal has a local presence).

Re: Seriously? Ads?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Standard" debit cards aren't really standard outside the US either. Maestro (chip + PIN) doesn't work online, for example.

My VISA (chip + PIN) works without any problems for online purchases. Some sites even transfer me to my bank's payment gateway that sends me an SMS with a number in order to be able to pay. I don't have a credit card. I know a lot of people who does but rarely uses them, debit cards feel more secure than credit cards against theft/fraud (and I'm not really sure if they are, I don't think so).

Credit cards (especially in the UK) have strong legal protections for the buyer. (Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act). Debt cards are excluded from that. So are "pre paid credit cards".

Re: Seriously? Ads?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Standard" debit cards aren't really standard outside the US either. Maestro (chip + PIN) doesn't work online, for example.

My VISA (chip + PIN) works without any problems for online purchases. Some sites even transfer me to my bank's payment gateway that sends me an SMS with a number in order to be able to pay. I don't have a credit card. I know a lot of people who does but rarely uses them, debit cards feel more secure than credit cards against theft/fraud (and I'm not really sure if they are, I don't think so).

Debit cards aren't more secure again fraud. If anything they are less so. Much easier to refund a transaction on a CC.

Re: Seriously? Ads?

#79

Are online payments such a big unsolved problem? It takes me all of 10 seconds to type my CC number and associated security codes. Sites that I use a lot tend to allow subsequent purchases without re-entering them anyway. If everyone's facebook account has CC details attached and a 1 click "pay now" button you are only 1 XSS vulnerability from fraud on an unprecedented scale.

I don't want to waste those 10 seconds which feel like eternity trying to fill all the fields. That's why amazons "1 click" checkout button is so successful. Make me, the user, do as less work as possible.

It's frustrating how the Google Toolbar solved this problem perfectly 10 years ago, then stopped working consistently.

I should never have to type in a password, credit card number, or address if I don't want to... yet nobody except a few proprietary browser plugin vendors treats this as a problem worth solving.

Re: Seriously? Ads?

#80
Facebook has demonstrated a completely utter disdain for interacting with their users. If something goes wrong with your "friend wall" or whatever, it's an inconvenience. If something goes wrong with your money, you want to talk to a human. Everyone knows you can't reach fb humans. When it's money, that matters. The work involved in turning that perception around is a huge hurdle to this idea.
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