Earlier quoted context omitted.
Especially ironic, given that Oracle is one of the nastiest and most aggressive companies at enforcing license terms.
In a way they know the worst that can happen :D
Yeah this is absolutely projection on Oracle's part
Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
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Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#72The article is somewhat confusing but it sounds like Oracle packages a cloud infrastructure management tool that’s based on Terraform. Presumably it’s built on 1.6, which was still MPL. Since they offer this product as a service, it directly falls under the restrictions HashiCorp put into place to prevent competition from repackagers and SaaS offerings of their products.
So to move forward with upgrading the Terraform support in their tool, Oracle had two choices: pay HashiCorp (soon IBM) a hefty license fee to resell Terraform, or use OpenTofu which is free and has now proven to be well-run enough to issue a new release with both Terraform compatibility and OpenTofu-specific enhancements, while dodging lazy accusations of code theft from HashiCorp.
This is a no-brainer for Oracle, and it’s great news for the future of OpenTofu.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no contradiction here. It's exceedingly simple: companies will take as much as they can and give as little as they can. That's why it's important to raise the bar on what they have to give and reject all permissive (non-copyleft) free software licences.
Copyleft is not required, free software is a gift freely given. Even public domain is ok (weird places like Germany that don’t have public domain notwithstanding). What must be rejected is nonfree licenses like the BSL.
BSL is preferrable to completely closed because at least researchers can look at it now and it will eventually transition to open source. If Windows XP was BSL licensed then Wine would have a lot less trouble now.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#74Oracle making the change due to licensing is like a dictionary definition of hubris, considering how their own license enforcement operates.
Oracle doesn't have some ideological preference for licensing. Oracle just wants what is best for Oracle.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#75Oracle making the change due to licensing is like a dictionary definition of hubris, considering how their own license enforcement operates.
As much as I dislike Oracle's biz practices (I'd not touch their db product with a stick), they do a lot of FLOSS devt: https://opensource.oracle.com/ (almost endless list) But then they have take FLOSS projects and abandoned them, see OOo for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice#/media/File:...
Looking through that list, most of the big projects (OpenJDK, Mysql, Opengrok) were inherited as part of acquisitions.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#76Fortunately using OpenTofu is just s/terraform/opentofu/g at this point.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, so they meant avoiding 'downstream license complications' they don't cause .
I wouldn't expect Oracle to have a license complication with itself...
it's mostly just hypocritical.
If everyone acted like Oracle; there would be no mysql users. Which is the point being made.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#78"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less." Hm, with that logic they could dump MySQL in favor of MariaDB as well
Especially ironic, given that Oracle is one of the nastiest and most aggressive companies at enforcing license terms.
At oracle-
Hey, what if they do - what we do to other companies ... to us ...
presses a red button
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Copyleft is not required, free software is a gift freely given. Even public domain is ok (weird places like Germany that don’t have public domain notwithstanding). What must be rejected is nonfree licenses like the BSL.
> Copyleft is not required Yes it is. Because companies (like Oracle) will take as much as they can and give as little as they can. > free software is a gift freely given It's a gift to the public, not to individuals and companies (like Oracle). > Even public domain is ok Even worse because that expressly allows companies (like Oracle) to take everything and give nothing.
> Because companies (like Oracle) will take as much as they can and give as little as they can.
Which in the case of free software is a completely neutral fact that causes exactly zero negative impact to the project. You're trying to apply principles of scarcity to a product category that has no scarcity—replicating the bits to serve Oracle doesn't cost a maintainer anything at all.
They can prefer not to let Oracle use their otherwise-freely-provided software, but that's not a position that's as easy to get sympathy for as pretending there's harm done.
Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu
#80"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less." Hm, with that logic they could dump MySQL in favor of MariaDB as well
Especially ironic, given that Oracle is one of the nastiest and most aggressive companies at enforcing license terms.
Thats the way world works. Here in this forum so many software people asking for best possible salaries and perks, and when it comes paying a bit to good productivity software same developers are always full of excuses like.
1) Oh, I prefer open source alternative for ideological reason.
2) This software is not really worth that much.
3) Hectoring developers every single time in providing why their software should be preferred over unpaid alternatives.
4) Blaming companies that they are bigger users so they should pay not me.
If these entitled developers who deserve all the money but no one deserve their money just shut the fuck up every once in a while it will be a good thing.