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Re: Veo

#71

Oh look another half baked product release that's not available in any country. They're a joke.

Is Sora available in any country?

Apparently it's only released to red teams at the moment as they try to manage safety. There's also the issue about releasing too close to an election?

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#72
post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

Also Sora demos had some really impressive generations featuring _people_. Here we hardly see any people which likely means exactly what you’d guess.

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#73

Kind of sucks to be google. Even they're making good progress here, and have laid the foundations of a lot if not most things.. their products are, well there aren't any noteworthy compared to rest. And considering google is sitting on top of one of the largest if not THE largest video database, along with maps, traffic, search, internet.zip, usenet, vast computing resources vertically integrated.. they have the whol…

I don't know how more people don't talk about the 1M context tokens. While the output is mediocre for cutting edge models, you can context stuff the ever living hell out of it for some pretty amazing capabilities. 2M tokens is even crazier.

It is pretty amazing. I've been using it every day. I do wish you could easily upload an entire repo into it though.

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#74
post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

Also the horse just looks weird, just like the buildings and peppers.

It's impressive as hell though. Even if it would only be used to extrapolate existing video.

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#75

I hate to be so cynical, but I'm dreading the inevitable flood of AI generated video spam. We really are about this close to infinite jest. Imagine TikTok's algorithm with on demand video generation to suit your exact tastes. It may erase the social aspect, but for many users I doubt that would matter too much. "Lurking" into oblivion.

It's already here. There are communities forming around generating passive income from mass producing AI videos as tiktoks and shorts.

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#76
all of this stuff i'll believe when it's ready for public release

1. safety measures lead to huge quality reductions

2. the devil's in the details. you can make me 1 million videos which look 99% realistic, but it's useless. consumers can pick it instantly, and it's a gigantic turn-off for any brand

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#77
post #34

From a 2014 Wired article [0]: "The average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in 1930 to about 2.5 seconds today" I can see more real-world impact from this (and/or Sora) than most other AI tools [0] https://www.wired.com/2014/09/cinema-is-evolving/

This is very noticeable. Watching movies from the 1970s is positively serene for me, vs the shot time on modern films often leaves me wonder, "wait, what just happened there?" And I'm someone who is fine playing fast action video games. Can't imagine what it's like if you're older or have sensory processing issues.

Obligatory: Liam Neeson jumps over a fence in 6 seconds, with 14 cuts[1].

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM

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#78

Kind of sucks to be google. Even they're making good progress here, and have laid the foundations of a lot if not most things.. their products are, well there aren't any noteworthy compared to rest. And considering google is sitting on top of one of the largest if not THE largest video database, along with maps, traffic, search, internet.zip, usenet, vast computing resources vertically integrated.. they have the whol…

Because they punish experimentation as it eats into their bottom line. AI is a tool for ads in the mind of executives at Google. Ads and monetization of human productivity, not an agent of productivity on its own.

"Laser-focused on the bottom line at the expense of all else" is not how I'd describe Google, now or at any point in the past. They have a lot of dysfunction, but if anything that dysfunction stems from too much experimentation and autonomy at the leaf nodes of the organization. That's how they get into these crazy places where they have to pick between 5 chat apps or whatever.

If Google were as focused on ads as you seem to think we'd at least see some sort of coherent org-wide strategy instead of a complete lack of direction.

Re: Veo

#79
post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

I imagine thats just a function of how much training data you throw at it.

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#80

To quote Twitter/X, "I wonder what OpenAI will release tomorrow and Google will release a waitlist for." GPT-4o: out Veo: waitlist Admittedly this is impressive and the direct comp would be Sora, which isn't out, but sometimes the caricature is very close to the truth.

OpenAI hardly released gpt-4o. The demo yesterday was clearly a rushed response to I/O. It’s quite possible that Google will ship multi-modality features faster than OpenAI will.

Yeah I think at this point it's "not if, but when" and the gap between parity is just going to keep shrinking (until/unless there's some kind of copyright/legislative barrier implemented that favors one or the other).

"We have no moat" swings both ways.

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