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Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Re: Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

asaddhamani wrote: post #37
Buttons840 wrote: post #26

> The aim of these programs is to equip youth with skills to prevent mental disorders and enhance overall well-being. The way I learned mindfulness meditation, you should not expect it to accomplish anything specific. I listened to a course and found the ideas new and helpful, it was so life changing that I went further and studied some Buddhist philosophy, but further studied brought some anxiety and so I stopped. M…

I find the Waking Up app the closest to this. Others like headspace feel heavily commercialised, with an aim of improving “productivity”. If anyone is looking for guided meditation, I suggest checking out waking up.

> Others like headspace feel heavily commercialised

The one you pointed to is $130 a year.

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Post by renewiltord »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #34
maxerickson wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The analysis they reanalyzed did see useful results from the interventions. In the new analysis, they found that if the separated by age, the older children got less benefit. What are the odds that repetition of a basic curriculum by a lightly trained teacher has less impact over time?

I’d also note mindfulness only works with practice and reflection as well as an experienced guide. It’s not a pill to be swallowed. Likewise CBT and other interventions need a work, practiced, and an experienced and licensed practitioner. Finally I would look at late life outcomes as well. A lot of the lessons of vipassana and other mindfulness lessons are difficult for the very young. Handing someone a life time too…

A lot of this is junk so it’s hard to take the rest seriously. CBT works just fine self-taught. You don’t need an experienced and licensed practitioner. That is totally bogus.

So I must conclude that there is zero information value in the rest.

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Post by xandrius »

dilliwal wrote: post #56

This study is not even peer reviewed, is a pre-print and has low sample size. How do we make all these conclusions so quickly

It generates more clicks this way.

Also people already have answers in their head, so anything that comes up from a study (even a poor one) can spark conversations.

Good job in pointing out, I hadn't noticed those important details.

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Post by 7952 »

skissane wrote: post #44
Izkata wrote: post #41

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> their attitude is more “asking tough questions is a sin” I don't think they went that far with me, but I did get frustration and telling me to stop asking questions. Pretty sure not being able to answer anything I came up with had me thinking it can't be true. And this was specifically in a religious education class we did once a week at a church separate from school.

> I don't think they went that far with me, but I did get frustration and telling me to stop asking questions. Pretty sure not being able to answer anything I came up with had me thinking it can't be true. If I could go back in a time machine and talk to a younger version of myself, I think I could give far more intelligent answers to my questions than anyone I asked could. Back in the Middle Ages, many of the smarte…

For a long time religion was the best explanation for the complexities of the world. And it naturally attracted the most curious people. Of course that all changed with science and particularly evolution. We discovered better answers to the age old questions.

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Post by skissane »

7952 wrote: post #75
skissane wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think they went that far with me, but I did get frustration and telling me to stop asking questions. Pretty sure not being able to answer anything I came up with had me thinking it can't be true. If I could go back in a time machine and talk to a younger version of myself, I think I could give far more intelligent answers to my questions than anyone I asked could. Back in the Middle Ages, many of the smarte…

For a long time religion was the best explanation for the complexities of the world. And it naturally attracted the most curious people. Of course that all changed with science and particularly evolution. We discovered better answers to the age old questions.

> For a long time religion was the best explanation for the complexities of the world. And it naturally attracted the most curious people. Of course that all changed with science and particularly evolution. We discovered better answers to the age old questions.

You are assuming that the primary purpose of religion is to explain those phenomena which the natural sciences seek to explain – an assumption many reject.

I think your emphasis on evolution in particular shows a particular bias – someone whose idea of religion is centered on 20th century American Fundamentalist Protestantism. Many religious thinkers have absolutely no problem with evolution. Some have even tried to co-opt it – e.g. the French Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, who not only made evolution the centrepiece of his theology, he also was a practising palaeontologist and geologist, who made genuine contributions to the field – he was part of the team excavating the "Peking Man" site near Beijing in the 1920s and 1930s, and discovered there a species of extinct buffalo named after him (Bubalus teilhardi). So he had absolutely no problem with the theory of Darwinian evolution.

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Post by Animats »

This is named an "intervention", but the article makes it clear it was training applied to everyone in some school. This is apparently called a "universal mindfulness intervention", which seems an oxymoron, but whatever. Using the same psychological intervention on everyone seems misguided, if not harmful.

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Post by nottorp »

gary_0 wrote: post #65
harry8 wrote: post #4

Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

Maybe because kids aren't stupid and they can tell Western society doesn't practice real piety, doesn't respect celibacy, doesn't care about the health of its citizens, and glorifies recklessness over studious caution? You can't preach what you don't practice. (Hopefully I don't sound like I'm criticizing Western decadence too much. I'm actually a big fan of decadence!)

My daughter told me towards the end of high school something that basically summarizes as:

For lifestyle/moral decisions kids will do what they see their parents do. Not what they are told by parents or anyone else.

Based on her observations of her friends.

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Post by gmac »

skissane wrote: post #28
kypro wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Religious studies fails to make kids more religious You can definitely make kids believe in religion. There's a reason entire societies in the past held the same religious views.

Religious education in schools often fails because the kids can tell the adults teaching it don’t really believe in it themselves. If the person who wants you to believe it doesn’t actually do so, why should you? And then when they do really believe in it, more often than not rather than “I’ve thought deeply about all the doubts and I can give thoughtful responses to them”, their attitude is more “asking tough questi…

And thank goodness for that. Here in the UK we’re in the weird and untenable position of providing state funding for religious schools, so I (an atheist taxpayer) am helping fund these indoctrination attempts.

https://humanists.uk/campaigns/schools-and-education/faith-s...

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