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Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

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Post by debacle »

hpestyghr wrote: post #55
nanna wrote: post #11

A month or so ago a ship filled with 19,000 Brazilian cattle destined for the Middle East docked in Cape Town. The cows were living in such horrendous conditions that the stink of the ship took over the entire city. Living in pools of excrement, sick, lame, pregnant and even dead cows among them. The South African animal protection service had to put many down. It's easy, its right to blame the Bolsonaro regime for h…

In this specific case, it's because Middle Eastern countries want live imports due to halal requirements. Live exports should be entirely banned.

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Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

_3u10 wrote: post #18
willcipriano wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the first one. The second has a lot of spin that is obvious once you have the context from the first article. The entire planet is greener. Everywhere. The planting did little. > Results showed that carbon dioxide fertilization explains 70 percent of the greening effect One of those Inconvenient Truths.

Exactly, the US and Europe are free to reforest but choose not to for some unexplained reason. Brazilian beef is frankly way less deforested than anything from the U.S. or Europe. The three most forested countries in the world are Russia, Canada and Brazil in that order. In all honesty I’m perfectly fine with the bans / boycotts it keeps farmers here poor and beef cheap.

Russia is barely in the top 50 if you are talking as a percentage of land mass that is forest. (Russia 49, Canada 73, and Brazil 27... US is 89)

Finland, Sweden and Japan are the top 3 fully industiralized nations for forested land as a percentage of land mass.

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/AG.LND.FRST.ZS/r...

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

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Post by ljf »

kvirani wrote: post #59
ljf wrote: post #56

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I'm in the UK - but yes he's a registered 'pest controller' - he gets paid by local farmers to keep the invasive deer population low (muncjac and Chinese water deer), and is also licenced to sell the meat. You can get either a whole/half skinned and basically butchered deer from him, or any selected cuts, for £9 a kg - which pretty damn cheap really!

And that right there is a solid moat

He gets paid twice - what a business!

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

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Post by cogman10 »

jonahbenton wrote: post #66
andsmedeiros wrote: post #38

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Tell that to your genetic predecessors.

Turns out the model of the primarily meat eating ancestors may be wrong.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Which sort of makes sense when you consider our closest relatives are primarily plant eaters.

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

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Post by lukas099 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #58
chasd00 wrote: post #40

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Isn’t selling venison against the law?

That should be the last concern of any decent human being. If they outlaw breathing, will you stop? Hunting is something our species has done for over a billion years by this point.

I am pro-hunting. But this isn’t a good argument.

1) equivocating hunting with breathing? One is necessary for life, the other is done by less than a quarter of people, and for most of them it’s just a hobby.

2) slavery has also been done probably since humanity began millions of years ago, so that clearly is not sufficient for something shoulding be legal.

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

cogman10 wrote: post #61
ljf wrote: post #34

I grew up on a (very) small farm - so I knew where all the meat we ate (and eggs, apple, plums and jam) came from. One of the things I find most disconcerting as an adult is the disconnect with the food I eat. Even the local 'farmer butcher' - I don't actually know if the meat they sell me is what they say it is. I buy a lot of deer from a friend of a friend as it feels slightly more known to me - even if I have no i…

I grew up similarly and it's part of the reason I've cut back on my meat. Shoving 100 cattle into a 1 acre feed lot for their entire lives is unfortunately how a lot of beef is produced. They spend their lives covered in shit, sleeping in shit, and trapped with no where to roam. And instead of addressing this problem, my state (Idaho) made it illegal to take photos of the issue. [1] [1] https://legislature.idaho.gov/…

> instead of addressing this problem, my state (Idaho) made it illegal to take photos of the issue.

This kind of corp-captured government is one more reason I'm certain we're in the 1910s again.

I'm finding it easier to count the exceptions to that. (they had appropriate housing, we have fewer labor-related deaths).

source: am an annoying genealogist

Re: Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger

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Post by lukas099 »

willcipriano wrote: post #6
matt_daemon wrote: post #2

For anyone interested in the numbers behind how bad beef and deforestation are for the environment, see Hannah Ritchie’s great new book Not the End of the World .

> deforestation https://science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/co2-is-making-... https://terra.nasa.gov/news/modis-shows-earth-is-greener

Killing off most of the bison shifted lots of land from grassland to forest. Forest is greener than grassland but doesn’t necessarily store more carbon.

More to your implied point, deforestation can happen one place and afforestation/reforestation another at the same time. Even a net increase in forest worldwide doesn’t make the loss of Brazilian rainforests are any better

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

snapcaster wrote: post #47
chasd00 wrote: post #40

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Isn’t selling venison against the law?

Yeah you're on a site called hackernews quit being a dork

excuse me. where else are we dorks supposed do go? i'm running out of forums where I can post with the replica of my childhood pc rig.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #69
saintfire wrote: post #63

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Hunting isn't illegal. Selling hunted meat is. It combats overhunting and poaching.

Sincere question - how does one "overhunt"? If I were to use a huge trawler with a big net to catch hundreds of fish I would call that overfishing. But is that even fishing? Thwres nuance between artisanal and industrial, and both get caught with the same word

One issue with confusing laws with ethics: We forget that lines are best drawn between doing harm and not.
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