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Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by sigmoid10 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #28
sigmoid10 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would removing players from steam push their numbers? Especially since it is obvious from the charts that the removed countries contributed almost nothing to the active playerbase?

Every Helldivers 2 player on Steam needs to create a Playstation Network account now, even if they don't own a Playstation. Without PSN account Steam users won't be able to play the game in a couple of days.

Yes, that is what is happening. But it is not an explanation for why, because by itself that action is going to reduce SIA's market and thereby revenue. There must be a technical/legal reason and other comments have already pointed out how the current system is both trashy for developers and legally risky.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by xyst »

out_of_protocol wrote: post #46
DEADMINCE wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be curious to see their list. They have almost 40 more countries than most agencies would consider to exist.

List made by scraping account profiles (7 years ago): https://github.com/RudeySH/SteamCountries/blob/master/json/c...

Why scrape profiles when steamcommunity offers a list of selectable countries in the profile edit page?

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

kstenerud wrote: post #7

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> the culture of the Japanese conservative business owners

Then that 'culture' could use some whacks up the backside, so they don't rootkit PCs and purposely damage CD readers, like that poor kid's portable player going red-hot because of their shenanigans.

Must have been twenty years since Sony got a cent from me, and they're not getting another anytime soon.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by viraptor »

greenish_shores wrote: post #49
viraptor wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS only matters in this case, because they have close to monopoly in some areas. But at you listed, in the EU you've got Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, and the whole PC market. Consoles are really not a prison in this case. (I agree the behaviour would be regulated a bit either way. But it's not even close to "prison")

They are prison, and it has nothing to do with either regulation or using the laissez-faire approach. You are being sold a computer which is controlled by someone else, even after the sale takes place. That's essentially it. Maybe it would even require no additional regulation, just interpretation of current regulation (the essential basics of civil law, that is) which would make a contract of sale of such device inv…

> You are being sold a computer which is controlled by someone else, even after the sale takes place.

Sure, but you are in no way forced or pushed to do that. You only do it if you really want to play their exclusive games. It's a completely free choice in a way that choosing a smartphone isn't (due to various apps being close to required for modern life)

Don't buy the console. Or buy it and something else as well. It's a very fancy toy.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by xyst »

jokoon wrote: post #51

I wonder if it breached the contract/TOS between the game company and valve. I guess lawyers at valve had to work extra to come up with a decision, because they're probably going to court over this.

The future “Arrowhead/Sony vs Valve Software” litigation is going to be wild

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by greenish_shores »

viraptor wrote: post #74
greenish_shores wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are prison, and it has nothing to do with either regulation or using the laissez-faire approach. You are being sold a computer which is controlled by someone else, even after the sale takes place. That's essentially it. Maybe it would even require no additional regulation, just interpretation of current regulation (the essential basics of civil law, that is) which would make a contract of sale of such device inv…

> You are being sold a computer which is controlled by someone else, even after the sale takes place. Sure, but you are in no way forced or pushed to do that. You only do it if you really want to play their exclusive games. It's a completely free choice in a way that choosing a smartphone isn't (due to various apps being close to required for modern life) Don't buy the console. Or buy it and something else as well. I…

Well, I'm pretty much okay using fully open Linux called postmarketOS on a smartphone, plus Andbox/Waydroid for (sandboxed!) compatibility with Android apps. That's also a free choice.

On pmOS, there's also full KVM virtualization support (works out-of-the-box on most aarch64 devices) for more picky apps, as well.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by wokwokwok »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #10
flohofwoe wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...in favour of tightening the online service to make future development easier. I really doubt that there is a single technical reason behind the decision, it's more likely that it has been enforced by Sony business peeps.

There is no business reason to cut down your own market unless it comes with additional expenses due to technical reasons. I'm pretty sure someone weighed these numbers again after the game's huge upgrades in infrastructure due to its unexpected success and decided differently this time.

Come on, they want this to be a PlayStation exclusive because it boosts ps5 sales and everyone wants to have the “hits” only on their platform. they just can’t easily get away with it.

Suuurrree, there are rumours about Xbox (https://insider-gaming.com/sony-helldivers-2-on-xbox/) but I’m gonna go out a limb here and say there’s sweet duck all chance in hell of that happening now.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by _heimdall »

sunaurus wrote: post #16

I've always found it ridiculous that Sony is allowed to sell their consoles and games in my county without allowing me to create a PSN account. They even sell the digital PS5, which REQUIRES a PSN account to get any games. And then, even if you break their TOS and create an account in another country, you're still constantly inconvenienced - you can't pay for games using your local payment method, for example, and a…

> IMO they should either provide the same level of service in all countries, or be forced to charge significantly less when selling their hardware in unsupported countries.

Who would force the price change though?

It seems more reasonable for anyone in a country that doesn't have access to PSN just wouldn't bother buying a PS5 regardless if the price.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by viraptor »

greenish_shores wrote: post #76
viraptor wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are being sold a computer which is controlled by someone else, even after the sale takes place. Sure, but you are in no way forced or pushed to do that. You only do it if you really want to play their exclusive games. It's a completely free choice in a way that choosing a smartphone isn't (due to various apps being close to required for modern life) Don't buy the console. Or buy it and something else as well. I…

Well, I'm pretty much okay using fully open Linux called postmarketOS on a smartphone, plus Andbox/Waydroid for (sandboxed!) compatibility with Android apps. That's also a free choice. On pmOS, there's also full KVM virtualization support (works out-of-the-box on most aarch64 devices) for more picky apps, as well.

You're still essentially using either iOS or Android if you want to interact with many banks. Sometimes they will let you use compatibility layers, sometimes not. (I can't access some bank apps on OxygenOS, which is actual Android)
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