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Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

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Re: Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the monetary policy Satoshi chose and the headline he picked to include in the genesis block, I really don't think you can infer what he himself thought bitcoin was meant to become, even if he referred to it as cash originally. Beyond that I don't see how it matters what something was designed to do or what early adopters personally used it for or thought it was meant to be used for. The only relevance for a te…

Satoshi wrote extensively about what he imagined Bitcoin could become, including in emails to me that I later published. Certainly, what was done to the original Bitcoin completely voided Satoshi's goals and offers an abject lesson in the difficulty of keeping institutions on-track over time. Note that the same tactics that were used to wreck Bitcoin are now being deployed against Nix, as the open source community ha…

Honored to get a reply from you sir!

I haven't personally done a deep dive on Satoshi's intentions probably for the specific reason I've always failed to see why former intentions or aspirations for technologies, even by their own creators would have any relevance towards their future use cases. If Edison had said light bulbs were for heating should we then oppose them being mostly adopted and optimized for lighting?

As a very passive but very interested stakeholder at the time of the block size wars it really felt to me there was heavy politicking and various degrees of !@#$ going on from all sides. The amount of viciousness certainly didn't surprise me given the immense magnitude of the stakes involved with potentially replacing a market in the hundreds of trillions of dollars.

I'm not sure I follow your last point. Stores of value certainly don't have to be mediums of exchange to build market cap (whereas the converse is true). That's true of the great majority of monetary wealth in the world. Most of fiat currency is held in treasury bond form (not a medium of exchange), real estate is heavily monetized and stocks to a degree. The actual dominant medium of exchange today is cash mostly in bank deposit form and it's a tiny fraction of that market which mostly sits on longer term horizons in assets that perform the function of storing value better. Are you saying a government might void converting stores of value to mediums of exchange? Or cryptocurrency specifically? In essence that they would make those assets illegal altogether? If they did it's true they would become worthless, at least for that jurisdiction, but some of the market obviously disagrees with that assumption, and landmark events like the bitcoin etfs continue to point the other way.

Re: Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

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Very interesting that he got arrested in Spain for tax fraud, just like John McAfee. Things look quite bad for him, he went all in on Bitcoin Cash, and even used leverage. He defaulted on CoinFLEX and owes them $47M in USDC. Roger Ver went from owning 131,000 Bitcoins in 2014 (worth almost 8 billion USD as of today) to pretty much broke.

How can you possibly know he is broke

Re: Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the monetary policy Satoshi chose and the headline he picked to include in the genesis block, I really don't think you can infer what he himself thought bitcoin was meant to become, even if he referred to it as cash originally. Beyond that I don't see how it matters what something was designed to do or what early adopters personally used it for or thought it was meant to be used for. The only relevance for a te…

Satoshi wrote extensively about what he imagined Bitcoin could become, including in emails to me that I later published. Certainly, what was done to the original Bitcoin completely voided Satoshi's goals and offers an abject lesson in the difficulty of keeping institutions on-track over time. Note that the same tactics that were used to wreck Bitcoin are now being deployed against Nix, as the open source community ha…

> including in emails to me that I later published

Without headers.

Re: Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

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post #45

I remember getting the cisco compatible switch optics from Memory dealers. Heaps cheaper than Cisco- $5 an optic compared to $1000.

Apparently one way memory dealers products were sometimes cheaper was due being counterfeit:

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-4th-circuit/1627804.htm...

Re: Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

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More and more countries are implementing an "exit tax" when wealthy people try to give up their citizenship. Also, the US authorities make it increasingly hard to do so. I wouldn't recommend anyone to become a US citizen. Once you are in, it is very costly to get out again.

As a Dutch citizen, I can leave the Netherlands to live elsewhere and no longer have to file Dutch taxes. US citizens have an IRS filing requirement even when living abroad. What other countries behave like the US in this regard?

If you have a permanent residence permit in Japan you need to file their taxes annually even when living abroad.

In Finland you have to live abroad for 3-4 years until you are not taxed anymore.

Re: Early Bitcoin Investor Roger Ver Charged with Tax Fraud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satoshi wrote extensively about what he imagined Bitcoin could become, including in emails to me that I later published. Certainly, what was done to the original Bitcoin completely voided Satoshi's goals and offers an abject lesson in the difficulty of keeping institutions on-track over time. Note that the same tactics that were used to wreck Bitcoin are now being deployed against Nix, as the open source community ha…

> including in emails to me that I later published Without headers.

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