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Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by TibbityFlanders »

s1k3s wrote: post #31
raziel2701 wrote: post #17

Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

> As Chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP), I am calling on Novo Nordisk to lower the list price of Ozempic – and the related drug Wegovy – in America to no more than what they charge for this drug in Canada. I'm not aware of how legislation works in US but I feel like a senator should have more power than just "calling on" a company?

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Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by cpitman »

raziel2701 wrote: post #17

Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

Currently they cannot manufacture enough to cover demand at $1000/ month. Why would the price come down before they can supply current demand?

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by jncfhnb »

raziel2701 wrote: post #17

Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

I’m reminded of the bit in 1984 where they’re trying to remove the pleasure from orgasms. I don’t entirely disagree that this would be good to make accessible but removing the joy from eating is so bleak

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by jart »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #55
chpatrick wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it still doesn't sound like a sustainable lifetime solution. I think it makes great sense if you're badly out of shape, you fix it, and then you can maintain a healthy weight. But going on ozempic every few years sounds really bad.

"Sounds really bad" is orthogonal to "is really bad". There's a heuristic that goes, "Shortcuts will catch up to people eventually," but I'm ok with letting the evidence bear that out.

Yeah that's the kind of folk wisdom that causes people with psychiatric conditions to stop taking their medications. It's very ignorant and harmful.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by glp1guide »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #60

When I took Ozempic I had these side effects: * Low libido and erectile dysfunction * Constipation, diarrhea, and extreme bloating (burping all night long) * Often difficulty sleeping. Waking up a lot. Very restless. We need a drug that doesn't slow digestion but decreases hunger and increases satiety.

These are some interesting side effects -- I'm not sure I've seen low libido very commonly -- have you noticed any other reports/disclosures of that sort of side effect?

Note that GLP1 RAs do decrease hunger, and their effects are very much also psychological. It's not simply a digestion slowing pharmacological effect.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by ein0p »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #56
raziel2701 wrote: post #17

Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

Rybelsus is available in tablets and costs €130 in Spain.

$947 in the US, LOL.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

PierceJoy wrote: post #51
spirit557 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cant take these drugs forever afaik. Do they have permanent effects? It's just absurd to me the world has come to the point that we need these drugs in the first place but it makes total sense when you look at America for example. Awash in hyperpalatable processed "food" and corrupt food guidelines, a medical industry that "manages" chronic metabolic preventable disease but never cures it when probably 99% of cas…

On the contrary, most weight loss doctors consider these drugs to be like statins. You take them for the rest of your life. The number of people who maintain healthy habits after stopping them is shockingly low.

> number of people who maintain healthy habits after stopping them is shockingly low

Source?

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by bamboozled »

onionisafruit wrote: post #48
tyre wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Semaglutide has been on the market since 2017 and clinical trials commenced in 2008. So we have a fair amount of data on longer-term users. It wasn't being used for general obesity until recently.

My doctor has been prescribing it for obesity for about five years.

Doesn’t work for everyone. I have relatives on it. Still big. The best improvement they made was giving up alcohol.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by prepend »

jncfhnb wrote: post #73
raziel2701 wrote: post #17

Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

I’m reminded of the bit in 1984 where they’re trying to remove the pleasure from orgasms. I don’t entirely disagree that this would be good to make accessible but removing the joy from eating is so bleak

Ozempic doesn’t remove the joy from eating. It just makes you eat much less. If anything it leads to eating less of really amazing food.

Think enjoying tasting menus instead of double baconators.

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