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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by layer8 »

trueismywork wrote: post #69
layer8 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.

I didn't state anything to the contrary. I just said it depends on the hardware and is not a problem of linux. Your choice is limited with linux but if buy hardware that's good for Linux, then everything works quite well.

Hardware choice being limited is a problem Linux has. You are defensive about it not being Linux’ fault, but the point is that users generally don’t care whose fault it is.

I’m a Linux user, by the way; but only on my servers.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

layer8 wrote: post #50
trueismywork wrote: post #41

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I don't know. Depends on whether it has devices where manufacturers have written drivers only for windows or also for Linux. Sometimes vendors also hide information on how firmware works to prevent other people from writing drivers for Linux. Of course end users think Linux doesn't support that hardware, when reality is that the device manufacturers don't support Linux.

It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.

> So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.

Linux has practical benefits as well; it's not just ideology. But yes, if you want Linux you should make sure your hardware supports it.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by madamelic »

VancouverMan wrote: post #28
madamelic wrote: post #10

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It's very good. I probably shouldn't say that but I have been daily driving Ubuntu for about 10 years. There are certainly 'rough' edges but anyone technical should be comfortable getting it done. Increasingly I think Windows is an self-driving automatic car where Ubuntu is a manual car that you have to drive. Sure, you'll have to bang around under the hood occasionally but if your job is working on cars, it shouldn'…

Desktop users who last used, and liked, Ubuntu during the pre-Unity/pre-GNOME-3/pre-Wayland era (before 2011 or so) may not like it so much these days. It's a very different default experience now. While I have fond memories of the earlier releases of Ubuntu, the more modern releases have been pretty much unusable for me any time I've tried them, unless I redo the default desktop environment with something sensible.…

That is very true.

I use i3-wm. I think the default UI is definitely Windows-esque with all the menus and the clunkiness.

I still haven't made the 'power user' jump to another distro like many friends and colleagues have prodded me about, hah.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by CoolCold »

I'm curious, is bringing goodies of CorpIT and manageability

> Ubuntu's Active Directory (AD) Group Policy client, available via Ubuntu Pro, now supports enterprise proxy configuration, privilege management, and remote script execution. It also continues to support AD Group Policy Objects.

make a small step towards more adoption of Linux at work?

From my perspective, having just those two - "Privilege management and the ability to remove local admin accounts" and "Remote script execution" [0] open the gates to consider Ubuntu for wider adoption by orgs.

[0] https://ubuntu.com/engage/microsoft-active-directory

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by utensil4778 »

butz wrote: post #11

Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.

I really wish net installers were still popular. For a while, most distros offered a tiny install image, like a few hundred MB that contained just enough to bootstrap the installer to pull the real OS data from the internet (or other network source).

Sometimes I only have small USB2.0 flash drives. I can't fit a full-fat installer on there, and even if I could, my network connection is much faster anyway.

Hell, installers don't even do on-the-fly updates anymore. You install whatever stale packages are in your install media then go through the process of re-downloading and updating every package anyway.

An offline installer makes obvious sense, but in this modern age, an online installer is superior in every way.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by utensil4778 »

bithead wrote: post #68
EasyMark wrote: post #61

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They use snap more and more with each release. It's why I switched over to Pop OS. I like flatpak since it's not baked into the distro. I don't mind if sometimes a theme or something doesn't the system one. I'm not one of those types who is "shocked" and "jarred" by gui differences.

I get the idea behind snap, flatpak, and appimage. But what I don't like is: 1.) config file locations end up all over the place depending on which you use. I like taking my .thunderbird data and just dropping it from one system to the next as one example. Snap makes that harder. Likewise for firefox - the snap version is behind as well. 2.) It solves a problem already long since solved in linux systems - package man…

One of the worst sins is hijacking apt install to secretly install the snap behind the scenes

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by utensil4778 »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #7

Will I finally be able to use a bluetooth headset's high quality audio output and its mic at the same time without significant changes in the terminal? It's getting embarrassing that every other mobile and desktop OS has no problem doing this but not Ubuntu.

No, this isn't an operating system problem, this is just how Bluetooth is.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by utensil4778 »

gruez wrote: post #25
briffle wrote: post #13

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My windows 11 computer does the same thing. It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality

AFAIK windows gets around this by having audio devices for the A2DP profile (ie. audio output only) and the HFP profile (ie. audio output and input) and having both be active at the same time. The A2DP device is set as the "default device" which means if you play spotify or whatever the audio goes through that and you hear high quality audio. The HFP device is set as the "default communications device", which is what…

It is much more complicated than that. That 700kbit/s figure is theoretical performance under ideal conditions: one device, one host, no interference.

In the real world, you get a lot less bandwidth. In my office building I see 300-400kbit/s of real throughput. The radio also only has one transceiver, if you connect multiple devices, they have to take turns broadcasting which cuts your bandwidth roughly linearly proportional to the number of nodes.

Also remember that Bluetooth and WiFi share the same spectrum. A high power or very busy WiFi network nearby will also drop Bluetooth bandwidth. You also get a precipitous drop in bandwidth if there are other Bluetooth devices nearby, as they all have to share the same spectrum.

There's a lot of effort put into mitigating these problems, but either way the real world performance of Bluetooth is much, much lower than theoretical figures. Streaming useful audio over a link like this is not a trivial problem.

At work, I'm currently trying to cram ten separate audio streams into a Bluetooth link for reasons. We're switching to WiFi.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by utensil4778 »

throw0101c wrote: post #56
briffle wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My windows 11 computer does the same thing. It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality

> It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality The aptX codec allows for CD-quality audio over Bluetooth: * https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2021/09/qualcomm-adds... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AptX Comparison of three in-ear monitors (IEMs): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk94btRPZI4

Only in one direction. The microphone is only used by the HFP (hands-free profile), which does not support higher quality codecs. You can't have HFP and audio sink active at the same time, so you are stuck with telephony grade codecs any time the mic is active.
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