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Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by DoreenMichele »

itchyouch wrote: post #66
serf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

steroids are dangerous, but did I miss an article somewhere where jelqing gave someone HIV? It might be useless, but I wouldn't tell someone with a useless habit that it's dangerous.

Because the outcomes are disproportionate (aids vs non-aids) doesn't abdicate things from being stupid or not stupid.

I'm the fool who made the original critique. The outcomes being disproportionate looks pertinent to me.

Stupidity is everywhere. Saying some things are moderately stupid in x thing, so face-palming about egregious stupidity in y thing is an overreaction is essentially dismissive of valid concerns.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by DoreenMichele »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #70
DoreenMichele wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also prescribe steroids to boost your immune system when you have nasty infections, so it's not cut and dried that "steroids = all downside and stupidity." Unless you want to insist modern medicine has deep flaws and needs a major overhaul. Good luck getting taken seriously with such opinions.

"Steroids" [0] are a very broad category of organic compounds, and it is a mistake to assume that the effects of steroids used for performance enhancing and bodybuilding —anabolic steroids, themselves still a broad category [1]— have anything to do with steroids in general and the specific clinical use cases that each of them may have. Furthermore, the steroids that you are referring to are most likely corticosteroid…

Technically, vitamin D is a steroid, not a vitamin.

I'm not assuming it's safe. I'm merely asserting it's not as cut and dried as "steroids: bad."

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by [deleted] »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #24

Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. The societal pressure on women to look young and beautiful is ridiculous. And influential women actively promoting such garbage is part of the problem. Men get former Mr. Universe's modeling "eat right and exercise." (Arnold in case you aren't getting the reference.) Women get this kind of crap.

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Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by itishappy »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #69
itishappy wrote: post #65

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> Are we at the stage of inserting silicone in your junk so your jock strap looks better? Yes. Packers exist. Also Synthol is oil injected into your muscles to make them look better.

Can someone point me to an informative source for "packers"? Searching "packers for your junk" or "penile implants" doesn't get me anything that sounds like it's what this comment is referring to. Please and thank you.

Appologies, I glossed over the word "into" from your comment. Packers are not implanted. Penile implants exist but are typically done for medical reasons (like you've fucked up your junk by jelqing). The closest thing to female breast implants is male pec implants. I'd argue Synthol is similar too, though less invasive.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by rodface »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #69
itishappy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are we at the stage of inserting silicone in your junk so your jock strap looks better? Yes. Packers exist. Also Synthol is oil injected into your muscles to make them look better.

Can someone point me to an informative source for "packers"? Searching "packers for your junk" or "penile implants" doesn't get me anything that sounds like it's what this comment is referring to. Please and thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packing_(phallus)

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by moooo99 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #52
moooo99 wrote: post #45

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I was of the impression that when talking about stupid things people do to themselves, it did not specifically need to be said that I am talking about anabolic steroid abuse without a prescription, for the purpose of performance enhancement. No need to strawman my comment

I'm absolutely not trying to strawman your comment. There is no clear cut, bright line between life and health. The body doesn't care if you took steroids with a prescription or without one. As noted in another comment, Arnold Schwarzenegger has a heart condition. I have read it might have killed him at a young age if he hadn't been a devoted fitness nut. He admits to using steroids. He's still alive.

> The body doesn't care if you took steroids with a prescription or without one.

The body doesn't, but the person who prescribes the medication does. With any medication there are tradeoffs to be made. A doctor is usually able to make a more qualified assessment of said tradeoffs than the average patient.

After all, the tradeoffs of taking anabolic steroids are plenty, especially when taken over longer periods of time.

And not to mention the fact that the stuff people source illegaly is rarely chemically as safe as the stuff used as medication.

> He's still alive.

He is, many other high profile bodybuilders aren't. While that's not a medically meaningful statistic, these are the people whose aesthetics young men strive for.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by aaron695 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #24

Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. The societal pressure on women to look young and beautiful is ridiculous. And influential women actively promoting such garbage is part of the problem. Men get former Mr. Universe's modeling "eat right and exercise." (Arnold in case you aren't getting the reference.) Women get this kind of crap.

> Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful.

Vampire Facials are used on balding men -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2764957/One-Kim-K...

This is not stupidly risky stuff. It was the unlicensed clinic at fault.

There is nothing wrong about wanting to look good. There is nothing wrong with working to achieve something. There is also nothing wrong with doing risky things.

I feel like solving the worlds issues isn't needed when talking about vampire facials. It's been used medically as well. It's an interesting tech.

It's more interesting to try and understand does it actually work.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by itishappy »

serf wrote: post #48
itishappy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, we do our share of dumb shit too. Ever heard of synthol or jelqing?

steroids are dangerous, but did I miss an article somewhere where jelqing gave someone HIV? It might be useless, but I wouldn't tell someone with a useless habit that it's dangerous.

Jelqing runs a high risk of destroying your penile tissue. Feel free to Google it, but expect stories like "I quit when I started ejaculating blood."

PRP injections are a relatively safe procedure, and should not give you HIV. The risk of HIV comes from using unsafe medical practices like sharing needles, and this exact same risk exists when injecting other substances like Synthol.

> Side effects of PRP injections are very limited because the injections are created from your own blood, and your body should not reject them or react in any negative way. As with any injection, there is a remote risk of infection. Otherwise, there are no significant risks apart from the variability and unpredictability of how effective the treatment will be for a particular patient.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-t...

https://www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by boomboomsubban »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #46
moooo99 wrote: post #35

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> But it's not this shit in the name of youth and beauty. Yeah its shit in the name of a bigger biceps and a bigger junk, I don't see how that is any better?

Women get surgery to get bigger boobs, primarily as a looks thing. Are we at the stage of inserting silicone in your junk so your jock strap looks better? (Please note you can just pad your bra if you want to look busty fully clothed. And it leaves scars, so I'm skeptical of the value it has for looking good naked or in teeny, tiny bikinis.)

>Are we at the stage of inserting silicone in your junk so your jock strap looks better?

Yes? People do get penis enlargement surgery, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_enlargement#Surgical_met... or phalloplasty which has a Wikipedia page I'd rather not link here.

Not really a fair comparison to breast augmentation though, which is more similar to the plastic surgery muscles some people get. Or hair plugs.

While I think it's much worse for women, acting like it only affects women is disingenuous.

Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by emestifs »

financltravsty wrote: post #32
slingnow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? HN has been a mini-Reddit for quite some time now. Frequently just a bunch of low quality, unfunny and recycled one-liners hoping to grab a few precious internet points.

Phone posters, Eternal September, tech industry interlopers.

Unrelated to you comment here, but I figured you'll see this reply rather than one from your week old comment.

I replied to your serverless comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40054222 Very interested in what more you have to say, if you're interesting in discussing it more.

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